Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 0:12:29 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:40:46 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:21:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:

On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
don't recall who started it.

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Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
Pickering troll.

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You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George.  I never formed any
team.  There was no "Team Monkey."
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I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here
(that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group).

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Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted
his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read,
with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one
flamed him for that. If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over
Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would
have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with
Stephan (possibly  because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite"
to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been
"impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You
went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance.

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Wrong.
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We remained in a friendly relationship.
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Fighting Pickles did not affect this in any way.
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When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and
since Pickles was your Donkey's ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet
Editor, and friends in attacking the Donkey. Since I was also an ally
of your Donkey, I joined the Donkey in attacking them.

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So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an
alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and
flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance
to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll
and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a
nutshell.

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Do you have any idea how batshit crazy half-witted that sounds?
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Don't answer, the question was rhetorical.
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When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing
peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them.  Stopping fights is the
first step to establishing peace.

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But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping
any fights.

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Lie!  I just told you that I stopped fighting with NancyGene and ME.
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How dense are you?
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*Again, the above question is rhetorical.
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You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to
attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that
I later called "Team Monkey". To continue:

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Lie!
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I did not start attacking Will at that time.  I merely stopped attacking
NancyGene and ME on his behalf (a fact which he whined about endlessly).
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The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
where
they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
JIm
flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were
manipulating them for that outcome.

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Eventually I came to like and respect
NancyGene and ME, and we became friends.  This was a nature progression
of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and
had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team."

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You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two
trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and
Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey."

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I'll reply in depth when I get to your post, George, but that's correct.
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I did not start trolling Will until after the *second* time he seconded
Pickles' post/poem depicting me as a "paedophile."

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Again, the poem never seemed to be "about you" Harry, that's just the
way you decided to interpret the poem.

Pickles used the name "PaedoScarlotti" in the poem!  How is that a
matter of interpretation?

This was two years after NancyGene, ME, Jim and I became friends.
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You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that
time.  Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a
neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides.

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Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of
course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since
"Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well.

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See above.
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Will and I had been maintaining an uneasy state of civility towards one
another, out of respect for our former friendship.
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It was only after Will seconded Pickles' "paedophile" accusation --

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It was simply a poem, not an accusation.

If I had written dozens of posts accusing you of being a "paedophile,"
addressed you as "PaedoDockery," then wrote a poem about "PaedoDockery"
would it simply be a poem?

The first time this happened, Will claimed that he had been applauding
Pickles' poem in general -- agreeing with its content

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The poems didn't really seem to be about you, Harry.
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I think you were being a bit paranoid and delusional at that time.

And I think that you're not so stupid as not to realize that the act of
calling me "PaedoScarlotti" is an implicit accusation that I am a
paedophile.

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began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace.

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Completely untrue, I stated to the end that I was in favor of peace and
that we could have peace immediately by simply stopping the fighting.

You wanted us to stop attacking you, but refused to stop flooding the
newsgroup with your 50+ slurp posts and "Hello Jordy" posts a day in
return.
To put it more bluntly, you were saying the equivalent of: "I'll do
whatever I damn well please.  If you don't like it, just skip and
ignore."

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Michael Pendragon showed over and over that he didn't really have any
interest in peace.

I was willing to make compromises and concessions.  You were not.

Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish
peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your
Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace.

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The troll thugs were determined to drive Stephan Pickering from the
poetry newsgroups at any cost, as the archives show.

Lie.  I never tried to drive Pickles out.  I killed the little mofo.
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