Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA

On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

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Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to
change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want
to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new
threads on some of it.
From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645
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On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:

On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan
Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by
Senetto's obvious Antisemitism.

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Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing
NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him
after he was told that it was really about child molesting.

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Why do you lie so much, George?

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Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted
in
your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned
from
Peter J. Ross.)
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(That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your
pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.)

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No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was
pathological, lying, or
"abused as a child".

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As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up
as he goes along.

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I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if
you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to
accept the compliment.
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When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a
proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for
years.  To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an
attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via
Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs.

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That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early
books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan
songs.
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This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later
continued via snail mail.

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Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics
seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems
of a Catholic.
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I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have
watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS.  If so, you
might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths
from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that
these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art.
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That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given.
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However, Pick's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of the
material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs is an example of
a monomaniacal obsession bordering on psychosis.
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Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have
"gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject.

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Exactly.
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Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter.

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Pick went off the deep end with his theory which elevated BD to the
position of YHWH, or God.  And he rode around on a bicycle with a
mummified cat in his basket and a small filing cabinet dragging from the
rear fender.  Then of course there were his imaginary wife and children,
Faline's spirit who was in contact with him from the Beyond, his story
that he draft dodged the Vietnam war by skipping to Canada and Israel
(when he had actually checked himself into a mental institution after
having been caught stealing from Forrest Ackerman...)
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The man was a total fruitcake.  He wasn't even Jewish.  He
self-converted (there's no such thing) out of his love for BD.
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I attempted to engage Pickles in several conversations regarding his
posts, but he either ignored them, or spat back some angry, and
impolite, remarks.

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Similarly anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject cannot be
expected to appreciate having a total ignoramus on the subject trying to
explain it to him. So while I don't condone his impoliteness, I can
fully understand it.

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You nailed it.

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There is a world of difference between scholarship, and monomaniacal
obsession.
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Since I didn't relish the idea of getting into a
flamewar with another nutjob (he reminded me of the 50s group's nutter,
"PhillyGuy"), I took to ignoring his posts.  Since he only posted once
or twice a week, ignoring him required little to no effort.

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You handled that well, IMO. "Skip and ignore" the posts and posters
you don't like; as long as they stay out of your face, everyone wins.

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Definitely a good policy.

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Unfortunately, skip and ignore doesn't work with Donkeys.
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At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
don't recall who started it.

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Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically.

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Watch it, Donkey.  Libel is a crime.
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Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
Pickering
troll. The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
where
they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
JIm
flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were
manipulating them for that outcome.

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Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be.

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The proof of one's agenda is in what one does, Donkey.
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Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20
(King James Version):
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16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
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17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
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18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
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19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire.
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20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Shall we compare fruits?
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I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets.
You are sitting here all by yourself, desperately attempting to troll
those you've driven away back into the group.
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After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on
and
off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group
with
a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.

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Grim times for the poetry newsgroup indeed.

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Pickering didn't belong here

Sure he did.
Stephan Pickering posted poetry and has an expert knowledge of many
poets

The third thing you did, a month or so of that, when Jim and Stephan
were thoroughly
engaged with each other, you went deep diving outside the group for
information on NAMBLA, and found a quotation from Allan Ginsberg
("I have never had sex with anyone under 15" or WTTE), which you began
posting here, calling Ginsberg a "pedophile" (or predator); and then
when others objected to that (like Stephan, Will, or myself), you began
calling those people "pedophiles" as well.

Michael Pendragon is, as ever, a hypocrite as well as a liar spewing
misrepresentations.

Most likely Jim had condemned Ginsberg as
a child molester

Which has been proven to be untrue.