Re: NO ONE, by George Dance

HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 1:37:30 +0000, MummyChunk wrote:
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HarryLime wrote:

On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:18:32 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:49:21 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
"HarryLime" wrote:

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Will Dockery wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:30:12 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 3:56:39 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime"

wrote:

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NO ONE
by fake George Dance
(in the style of George Dance)
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No one
accused you of
plagiarism,
you
silly
c*nt.
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Please stop
repeating your
online friend's
lie.
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--
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Damn, George!
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That's so good that it's got me sorry that I banned you from AAPC.
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You banned me from aapc? Oh dear, whatever shall I do?
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That's absurd, a.a.p.c. is a Usenet newsgroup, Michael Pendragon aka
Harry Lime has no control over it and can't possibly "ban"

anyone.

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Please don't try to play dumb, Donkey.  You're more than stupid enough
already.
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a.a.p.c. was a Usenet newsgroup... until Will Donkey and his socks drove
all of the group's members over to Facebook.
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No, Peabrain. No, HarryLiar. aapc still exists as a usenet group. You're
posting to it right now, you stupid c*nt.

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Usenet is a form of internet communication that pre-dated the World Wide
Web.  When the Web became a global phenomenon in the late 1990s, Usenet
became out-dated.
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It continued to exist for an increasingly small number of users who had
used it in the pre-WWW world, or who studied computer programming, etc.
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In 2001, Google created a "Google Groups" app that linked WWW

users to

the Usenet groups.  This app was the only way that people who had not
used Usenet in the pre-WWW world had of discovering Usenet's existence.
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Even with the Google app, the Usenet groups continued to dwindle is
size, leading to Google's abandonment of them last year.
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When Google pulled the plug, the majority of Google Group members sought
out other forums.
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Most of the Usenet a.a.p.c. members migrated to the Facebook a.a.p.c.
group.
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Since the majority of the members are now there (myself, NancyGene, Jim,
Karen, Corey, Ash, Wenceslaus, Richard, Bob, ME), it *is* the a.a.c.p.
group.  You, your Donkey, Rachel, Jordy, and General Stink) are
stragglers who have been left behind.
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It's as if a club had moved to a new address, and taken the majority of
its patrons with it -- while a handful of former members stubbornly hang
out in the club's former building (now abandoned).
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Now a.a.p.c. is a Facebook group.

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alt.arts.poetry.comments is and always will be a Usenet newsgroup.
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All the blister in the world from Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon won't
change that fact.

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It's already been changed, Donkey.  75+ % of the group has left Usenet
for Facebook.
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alt.arts.poetry.comments may continue to exist as a social forum on
Usenet, but is, and in all probability shall remain, nothing more than a
forum in which to watch Will Donkey playing with his socks.
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There is a facebook group that is named after aapc, here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304
- and at least one copycat group. But aapc is still a usenet group, and
will be as long as there's a usenet.

Correct ^^^

George Dance had been a member of the Facebook group, but he got himself
banned.

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No surprise there with Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime in charge.

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No, Lying Michael; I'm a member of both the usenet and facebook groups.
Maybe you're referring to one of those copycat groups, where I wasnt
posting.

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Calling the Official AAPC Facebook Group a "copycat group" won't

change

the fact that the majority of a.a.p.c. members are now posting there.

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If they're not posting here on the real Usenet newsgroup, founded back
around 1998, they're not really on alt.arts.poetry.comments.

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Based on what logic?  A group is several people who have bonded together
(in this case, because they share a common interest in poetry).  The
group has moved to a different location.
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alt.arts.poetry.comments is no longer a group.  It's a location.  And
right now, it's looking like a ghost town.
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A group is a group of people -- not a Usenet address or a Facebook page.
The group (the members of a.a.c.p.) has relocated

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The Usenet poetry newsgroups have had hundreds of poets come and go and
return again.

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"Hundreds" seems like a slight exaggeration.  Based on what I've seen
from this group, I'd place the number (generously) around a dozen.
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Not just on a.a.p.c but also rec.arts.poems, alt.portry and other Usenet
newsgroups.
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A Facebook page is okay but it's no replacement for Usenet.

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It certainly is, as it performs all of the same functions.  We can, and
do, post and discuss one another's poetry there.
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In fact, I'll even go so far as to say that it's not only a replacement,
but an improvement on Usenet, since we're able to keep it Donkey free.
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Deal with it.

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Nothing to deal with, if you prefer Facebook then go there, not a
problem.
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This USENET group is far better and offers way more than any FACEBOOK
group
could ever offer.

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Absolutely agreed.

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Of course you would, Donkey.  You're pretty much stuck here.
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Why any normal person would post content on Facebook when it can be
removed,
and erased from existence at a whim by faceless algorithms or Facebook
staff
without explanation, reason and in many cases no recourse is beyond me.

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Exactly.
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Giving Zuck anything is pure stupidity.

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Well put.
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USENET is forever!

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Exactly.

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Rah! Rah! Rah

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Shouldn't you be working on your Facebook page tonight?

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Your choice, and all you're doing is trolling and flaming here anyway.
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When is the last time you posted a poem here?
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A year?
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Two years?

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Simply more lies and misrepresentations from Harry Lime aka Michael
Pendragon.
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I've driven nobody away, anyone who leaves does so by their own choice.
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That was posted in the middle of a massive flame war, I know you're
familiar with those, Harry.

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YOU and your trolling thugs' drove them away, then y'all left
because Google Groups died and none of y'all could figure out how to use
Nova BBS or JLA Forums.

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we weren't around when Chuck Lysaght was alive

Jim Senetto was here as early as 2007 when he was pretending to be an
Englishman named Blackpool Jimmy.
Look it up.

And apparently only you and Nancy Gene have figured out how to use Nova
BBS and JLA Forums to this day.
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And so it goes.

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It doesn't require any figuring out

I wouldn't expect you to admit it.

And when have you not been in a flame war?

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Most of my life, basically.

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You brought this current flame war, just as you and your gang of troll
thugs created the last one in 2017 which went on for nearly a decade.

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and the last generation (mine) left last year. Various members
of this group often took extended "hiatuses" from a.a.p.c. out of
frustration from having to deal with Will and his toads.  There had been
a couple of attempts to establish an alternative group (again, with the
express purpose of getting away from Will Dockery) in the past -- but
they didn't take.
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The main reason that they didn't take was because no one really wanted
to leave a forum we'd been working to establish a community in for
several years.  Moving to a different forum was perceived as starting
over from square one.
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The demise of Google Groups changed that.  Since most of us accessed
a.a.p.c. through Google Groups, the forum we'd come to know was
effectively gone.  NovaBBS looks and feels much different from Google
Groups, and might as well be a different forum entirely.

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Nova BBS is closer to the original Usenet, Google Groups was simply a
web portals for Usenet.

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Exactly.  The unfamiliarity of the forum is what allowed members to
relocate to Facebook

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Facebook rules for now, of course.

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As did MySpace before that.
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Like MySpace (and Topix Forums), when Facebook dies, it'll probably not
be archived.

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Probably not.
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Yet here you are, still obsessing over me, still trolling me and if
course still flaming me.

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I'm only here because you and George

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Whine much, Harry?

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I didn't expect you to admit it, Harry/Pendragon.
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You're actually here trolling me, Pendragon.

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Do you even know what a troll is?

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Yes, I know you quite well, Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime.

Your lies and misrepresentations and your agenda to try any dirty trick
to win a flame war, which you've bragged about, Pendragon/Harry.

Trolling is a form of fishing where one pulls the bait through the water
to lure fish.  A social media troll is someone who attempts to lure
others into a conversation "by deliberately posting inflammatory,
irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content."

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That's exactly what you and your gang of fellow thug trolls did for
nearly a decade here.

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So, yes, good riddance.
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I only plan on being here until I learn the outcome of George's
mysterious Creeley book.

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Estimated time of arrival for the Robert Creeley book is about a week
from now, I think.
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If you want to move to Facebook, good luck... and good riddance.
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This has been a blessing, as we've never had a single flame war.  We are
able to post and discuss poetry without having to deal with all the
drama, animosity, and "Hello Jordy" nonsense.

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So, again, best of luck on your Facebook page.
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Without your flaming and trolling here perhaps this newsgroup can grow
again.

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That's a good goal for 2025.

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By bringing new poets in again, of course.

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Through various promotional campaigns, and without trolls and thugs to
drive them away, these new poets and posters can come here for the
poetry... and be allowed to stay

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The only people who know of Usenet's existence are either already using
it, or have moved on (or died).

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Things can change with good promotion.

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People search the Web with Google.  Google's app for "Google Groups" is
archive only.

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But the archives)are/ easily searched and can be imported to other
areas, such as right here, right now:

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https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
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Usenet's so far under the radar that it might as well no longer exist.

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Usenet is well archived, I've noticed as if this morning:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
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People only found out about Usenet by exploring their Google Apps.  Most
people surfing the internet are unaware that Usenet even exists.

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These days, yes
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In short: it comes down to a matter of what's more important: the
unmoderated freedom of Usenet vs the peace of mind from a moderated one.

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Sure, spoken like the control freak we know you are, Harry.

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I haven't had to censor a single post,

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That's good.
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Why did you ban George Dance?

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For libel

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So you say, but you're sounding a little bit like a drama queen when you
keep whining about something you don't even seem to have valid evidence
of, Pendragon.

If you have valid proof, show it.

I do have valid evidence

Then you know the rules:
Post proof or STFU.
Remember?

H falsely accused me of only publishing my supposed "allies" in "A Year
of Sundays,"

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I haven't been following your vanity press publication but the last time
I observed it, that was true.

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Name ONE person who posted a poem to our group who was excluded from
publication

Vanity press, we know.

A control freak on an ego trip, as Zod described it so well.

Which always sends Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime into another tizzy.

When you attack the editorial policy of a literary magazine that's
publishing your poetry, you're toast

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When the editor is a control freak on an ego trip, of course.

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I give everyone free rein

Except that you censored and banned George Dance.

So why did you ban George Dance from the Facebook group?

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George libeled me

You don't seem to understand that word.

regarding "A Year of Sundays'" editorial policy,
claiming that I only published my supposed "allies."

That sounds like a truthful statement.
Although I don't expect you to admit it.

I think George was trying to say that you and Zod were
excluded from joining the group

Which is probably true although I never tried to join.

But George attack

Again it sounds like you censored and banned George Dance for giving his
honest opinion.

So you say.
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I'm also aware that you banned George Dance from the Facebook group for
pretty much no reason.

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Libel

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You mean your accusation of this.

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No

I didn't expect you to admit it.

You've written some pretty nasty lies and misrepresentations yourself,
Pendragon, do you admit those were also libel?

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was based on information in posts.

Sounds like how George Dance formed his honest opinion about you

George's attack

Giving his honest opinion isn't lying.

That doesn't sound like a control freak.

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Censoring a man for simply giving his opinions and observations does
sound like the work of a control freak.

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He didn't give an opinion

I wasn't there but it sounds like it was his opinion.

Zod's description still seems to apply:
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"Control freaks on an ego trip."
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And so it goes.

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I didn't expect you to agree.

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Neither did I expect you to explain

Except that I did, several times.
how my "hands off" policy at the

Official AAPC Facebook Group makes me a "control freak."

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Sure I can.
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Your "banning" of George Dance for simply voicing his opinions is a
perfect example that you still fit Zod's description of you (and Jim
Senetto) as a "control freak on an ego trip."

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My banning George Dance for libeling

Sounds like you actually simply censored George Dance for giving his
honest opinion.

And so it goes.
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 Getting rid of the trolls

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Yet here you are, back on the newsgroup trolling again.

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Again, I'm here

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To troll and make personal attacks, we know.
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Your choice of course.
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You don't need my permission to be here, so no reason to explain.

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What makes you think I would seek your permission

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Meaning this isn't a moderated, censored newsgroup, unlike your "control
freak on an ego trip" Facebook page, in which you've already "banned"
George Dance simply for posting his honest opinions.

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Like I said, the Facebook AAPC group isn't really moderated,

You censored and banned George Dance, sounds like heavy moderatiin.

And George Dance was banned for libel.

How was George Dance able to post on your private Facebook page anyhow?
Did he become a member of your Facebook group?
Sounds like George Dance was just giving an opinion, that's not libel.
I realize he's a dunce, but if

you were to tell any editor that he only uses his magazine to publish
his friends, you'd be banned from that publication as well.

So you censored George Dance simply for honestly giving his opinion.
Definitely sounds like censorship.

And so it goes.
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As to posterity: nothing is forever.  The Internet will eventually be
replaced by something vastly different, and be shut down; the sun will
die, our galaxy will collapse, the universe will end.  In the end,
everything will be gone.  It's only a matter of how soon the end comes.

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That's true of pretty much everything, basically, but the Usenet
newsgroup archives are holding up better than most, although the Google
Groups archives can no longer be responded to, they can be accessed and
read somewhat easily, as I found this morning when I did a search and
found
"Listening to Bob Dylan on LSD":
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https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
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For once we agree.
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Goodbye, and best of luck with your Facebook poetry group,
Harry/Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.
😏