Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA

On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:

On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
don't recall who started it.

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Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
Pickering troll.

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You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George.  I never formed any
team.  There was no "Team Monkey."
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I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here
(that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group).

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Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted
his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read,
with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one
flamed him for that. If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over
Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would
have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with
Stephan (possibly  because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite"
to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been
"impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You
went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance.
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When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and
since Pickles was your Donkey's ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet
Editor, and friends in attacking the Donkey. Since I was also an ally
of your Donkey, I joined the Donkey in attacking them.

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So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an
alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and
flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance
to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll
and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a
nutshell.
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When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing
peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them.  Stopping fights is the
first step to establishing peace.

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But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping
any fights. You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to
attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that
I later called "Team Monkey". To continue:
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The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
where
they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
JIm
flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were
manipulating them for that outcome.

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Eventually I came to like and respect
NancyGene and ME, and we became friends.  This was a nature progression
of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and
had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team."

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You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two
trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and
Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey."
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You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that
time.  Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a
neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides.

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Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of
course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since
"Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well.
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The Donkey saw my increasing friendship with his enemies as a form of
betrayal on my part (a "what have you done for me lately?" type of
deal), and began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace.

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Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish
peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your
Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace.
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After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on
and
off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group
with
a nasty, libelous document that NG had written.

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