Re: "The Haunted Palace" -Poe

On Mon, 12 May 2025 16:04:23 +0000, NancyGene wrote:

On Sun, 11 May 2025 22:12:02 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

Will-Dockery wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

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I already stated that I've read the basic Edgar Allan Poe material, the
best known poems and short stories, I'm definitely not an expert but I
love the Poetry I've read and will always sit down and read more when
time permits.
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HTH and HAND.

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IOW, you've read what the average American has read in high school
classes,

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By high school I was heavily into the Beat poets, Jack Kerouac, Allen
Ginsberg, William S. Burroughs, Gregory Corso, Lawrence Ferlinghetti.
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As well as many other writers of a wide range of genres such as the
earlier mentioned Harlan Ellison.
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I think you once admitted to reading one chapter of Jack Kerouac.
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I've read almost everything Jack Kerouac ever wrote.
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HTH and HAND.

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Jack Kerouac compared with Edgar Allan Poe:
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KEROUAC: The sun was going down. I walked, after a few cold beers, to
the edge of town, and it was a long
walk. All the men were driving home from work, wearing railroad hats,
baseball hats, all kinds of
hats, just like after work in any town anywhere. One of them gave me a
ride up the hill and left me at
a lonely crossroads on the edge of the prairie. It was beautiful there.
The only cars that came by
were farmer-cars; they gave me suspicious looks, they clanked along, the
cows were coming home.
Not a truck. A few cars zipped by. A hotrod kid came by with his scarf
flying. The sun went all the
way down and I was standing in the purple darkness. Now I was scared.
There weren’t even any
lights in the Iowa countryside; in a minute nobody would be able to see
me. Luckily a man going
back to Davenport gave me a lift downtown. But I was right where I
started from.

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Parts of the above sound

 like lines in some of Will

Dockery's "poems."  he was "influenced" by Poe and
Kerouac.

That's correct.

Kerouac's prose is intelligible and grammatically correct.

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Kerouac: "I walked, after a few cold beers, to the edge of town..."
Dockery:  "Walking (To The Edge Of Town Tonight)
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explained that he was "influenced" by Poe only in the
sense that he liked Poe's tales & poems, and that this *inspired* him to
pursue a career as a writer.

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I'm not sure what Popeye inspired him to do (eat spinach?), but since
the only things Popeye ever composed were love poems to Olive Oyl of the
"Roses are red, violets are blue" variety (typically misspelled), we can
not only rule him out as a literary influence, but conclude that Poe's
influence on Will's literary output

Popeye had a deformity (exaggerated muscle bulge in his biceps), and
Dockery had elephantine ears. He felt a kinship, especially since his
legs were only 12 inches long.
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evolution as a poet can be traced from the following
sources: his record collection, and his epiphanic realization that
modern poetry (the beat poets, Barfield and Zu-Bolton) is really just
chopped prose.  By relating incidents from his everyday life in short,
fragmented, phrases, combined the style of
classic rock and/or folk albums with the self-indulgence of beat
generation poetry and prose

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Who taught him grammar?  Barfield or Zu-Bolton

Various English teachers through my life.

Michael Pendragon
"Loved Poe in Junior High School... almost as good as Hank Williams and
Popeye."
-- Will Dockery

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Hank Williams was an alcoholic and drug user. He dropped out of high
school at 16.  We can see the influence on Dockery.

Hank Williams Sr. was also a great, poetic songwriter, but I don't
expect you to understand that, NancyGene.
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