Re: Harry Liar recycles an old Pedodragon lie

On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:41:16 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:08:35 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255723&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255723
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:

You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles, but
you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights
than any other organization.

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No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone
above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was
the only
group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe"
when
you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.

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I have your original statement on file, George, and can repost it if
necessary.
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You later retracted that claim, but the
damage to your reputation had already been done.

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No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above
the
age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and
misrepresent that claim.

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No one ever said that sex, gay or straight, between two people above the
age of consent should not be legal, George.

That is not true, Lying Michael. In Canada, at the time we're talking
about, anal and oral sex was illegal for everyone (but adults over the
age of 21 were exempted. As I told you, NAMBLA was the only group
opposing that.

This is yet another attempt at a straw man argument on your part -- not
to mention a pathetic attempt to turn the discussion away from what
you'd actually said.

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No, it isn't, Lying Michael; but that means that we'll have to see what
I
"actually said."

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Agreed, duplicitous George. That's why I'd *reposted* it (in context)
immediately below.

That is oot true, Lying Michael. You posted it completely out of
context, as I just told you:

As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what
discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
general), which you've now changed (to claim I
was talking about "LGBT rights").

Which means that I'm going to have to repost your *actual* statement in
context:
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MMP: As previously noted (do try to get some reading comprehension
skills, old man), I have never made an issue of the participants' sex.
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DUNCE: Another Pedodragon lie. You've ranted and raved for a month about
the group that's done the most to fight the above discrimination.
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MMP: NAMBLA??? Are you seriously attempting to argue that NAMBLA is
spearheading the fight against sexual discrimination???
[END OF QUOTED PASSAGE]

Notice that you snipped the context (the "above discrimination" we were
talking about) -- not only here, but in the original post of yours
you're quoting.

I like how you snipped your last paragraph, where you answer your own
question:
<quote>
"*** That's right. George Dunce believes that NAMBLA is "the group
that's done the most to fight (sexual) discrimination." He also accused
me of being a "homophobe" and a "Nazi" for having attacked them." </q>
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As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what
discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
general), which you've now changed (to claim I
was talking about "LGBT rights").

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IIRC, "LGBT rights" is what *you* had told me it was in reference to at
the time.

IIRC, you're full of shit. You can call it a "gay right" (even though it
criminalized anal sex between cishets too), but it not a "lesbian right"
or a "trans right" at all. It would be stupid to call it an "LGBT right"
- don't blame me for your stupidity.

First you posted under the title of "DUNCE OUTED!!!" on December 7,
2017. I responded the same day, to tell you that was not what I was
talking about:
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<quote>
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:53:01 AM UTC-5,
michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
<sigh> Yet another Pedodragon lie. I called Pedodragon a fascist because
he wants to criminalize sex for people over the age of consent,
including gays: specifically, gays between the age of consent and the
unspecified higher age for anal sex he's advocating.
I did point out that NAMBLA's been fighting the legal battle against the
pedo's homophobic laws for decades, and here in Canada at least the
"pedophiles" (as he'd call them) on the Supreme Court have agreed with
them: those laws are unconstitutional. </q>
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EnkIgYG-nwk/m/k-23aCsLAQAJ

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You seem to be supporting your claims even now, George.

Yes, Michael, of course I am. Gay sex was criminalized for men 16-20
from 1969 to 2019 - NAMBLA was the only group fighting that
discrimination - and I supported them in that.

I also responded to your Chimp's backup flaming on the same thread:
<q>
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:32:53 AM UTC-5, drive-by wrote:

NAMBLA fights age restrictions regarding young boys

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Boys 16-21, in the case of the laws we were discussing.
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under the guise of 'freedom of speech' to avoid crossing the line into a
cell..Pedophilia is alive and well, unfortunately, but NAMBLA is
basically defunct at this point.
Homophobia and Nazi originated from the lips of Pickering

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"Nazi" was a Pendragon lie. I called him a fascist, because he wants to
throw even (some) adults into jail for having consensual sex.

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"Nazi" and "fascist" are more or less interchangeable -- especially in
informal conversation.  A Nazi is a specific type of fascist.

They both jail gay men for having anal sex. But so did our "democracy"
(until 2019), and so did yours until /Lawrence vs. Texas.

Nor have I ever advocated throwing adults into jail for having
consensual sex.  I argued that adults who had sex with *minors* should
be thrown in prison -- with the age of a "minor" being determined by the
state in which the "consensual" sex occurred.

Lying Michael, it wasn't just gays above the age of consent you wanted
criminalized. IIRC (and I always do), you also wanted to ban sex with
adult "retards".

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And he's clearly a homophobe if he wants to throw males 17-21 into jail
just for having anal sex.

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You have failed to provide a quote to back up that statement, George --
and I cannot imagine my ever having said such a thing.

I'm sure you can't remember a word of it. All you remember is a story
you made up and continue to spread, backed by nothing but an
out-of-context statement.
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