Re: Readercon code of conduct

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

 
 
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
 

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

 
 
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
 

On 6/20/2024 4:07 AM, D wrote:

 
 
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
 

On 6/5/2024 1:30 AM, D wrote:

 
 
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
 

In article <lbr238Fa73cU1@mid.individual.net>,
Bernard Peek  <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote:

The measures were probably excessive for a disease with a
mortality of 0.5% but would have been woefully inadequate if
it had been 2.5% instead. We took months to impose pretty
feeble restrictions. I would like to see response-times
measured in hours.

 
One of the big problems preventing early measures from being
taken was believing a word that came from the ChiCom regime.
The WHO basically parroted whatever they said about no
human-to-human transmission, etc., until it became impossible
to ignore.  The rest of the world needs to recognize that
totalitarian despots lie.
 
 

 
True. With response time in hours, the world economy would collapse
multiple times given how many fake scares we would have.
 
The best option would have been, like sweden, to issue some
recommendations to protect the old and do absolutely nothing.
 
But boy was the international community angry with sweden for showing
that no lock downs were necessary and neither were masks. They destroyed
completely any credibility the rest of the worlds politicians had! =)

 
I see the numbers (source: worldmeters.info)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
Sweden: 2.682 deaths per million
US      3,642
 
But Sweden is hardly the best.
 
France:  2,556 (fierce lockdown there)
Germany: 2,182 (ditto)
Ireland: 1,891
Norway:  1,024
 
nor is the US the worst:
Bulgaria: 5,661
Hungary:  5,106
 
Someday, there will be a thorough comparison of the various
strategies, what worked, what didn't.
 
If lockdowns and masks didn't help, what did? Why was the
US so much worse than, say, Ireland? Why did Sweden have
double the death rate of Norway?
 
 
pt

 
Let's look at excess mortality, then we talk.

 
There's a venerable method of evading discussion
of a questionable Internet claim by refusing
discussion unless some form of evidence which is
thought difficult to obtain is first supplied.
 
I feel like that's the case here. Why is Covid death
rate not a valid metric? Why is excess deaths better?
 
At any rate, it's actually not difficult to obtain
excess death data, if your google-foo is adequate:
 
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
 
On the graph, click 'Edit countries and regions',
and  you can compare countries against each other.
 
I've captured a chart for Norway and Sweden. It's
here: https://imgur.com/P9rXFWc
 
Sweden has two huge peaks of excess deaths, compared
to Norway, in the early  part of the pandemic. Norway
has one in late 2021. Otherwise they track fairly
closely.
 
So again: What was Norway doing different than Sweden
that saved so many lives?
 
Curiously, at the end of data (Dec 2023), Sweden
has a lot more excess deaths than the US.
 
pt

 
Let me show you this instead...
 
https://www.europaportalen.se/2023/03/sverige-hade-lagsta-overdodligheten-under-coronapandemin-i-eu
 
The graph shows the percentage change between the average number of deaths
per year for 2017-2019 and the average for 2020-2022.

 
Again, I ask you, what did  Norway do right, and Sweden do wrong, to have
more
than twice the deaths per,population?
 
Pt

 
That's completely irrelevant. Excessmortality is the name of the game.

Fine. Look at the excess mortality chart I linked on Imgur. Why does Sweden
have such huge peaks of excess mortality, compared to Norway, in early
2020 and early 2021? What did Sweden do wrong, or Norway do right?

The data is right there. Answer the question.

Pt