Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned

On 30/05/2025 16:37, Paul S Person wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2025 14:33:57 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
 

On 2025-05-29 09:05, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 28 May 2025 16:13:48 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
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On 2025-05-27 10:04, Paul S Person wrote:

On 26 May 2025 15:53:04 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote or quoted:

1. That is an intellectualist/atheist definition of "miracle",
intended to show that none exist. The actual meaning is "something
worth looking at". Or perhaps "something you don't see every day".

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    However, have you heard of the "etymological fallacy," where
    someone wrongly argues that a word's current meaning must be
    the same as its original or historical meaning, ignoring the
    fact that language evolves over time?
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    I have my dictionary right here, and it says, "An event that
    appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to
    be supernatural in origin or an act of God".
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    Oops! Sorry, I was being an "intellectualist" again!

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Just because the intellectuals and atheists won the battle to make
that the definition does not change the reality.

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Feel free to prove that what you consider to be reality is factual.

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Prove /what/ is factual? Please be specific.

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I already specified it. It's "what you consider to be reality".

 OK. Why would what I merely /consider/ to be reality have to be
factual? It isn't as if I am claiming it really is reality, only  that
I consider it to be. Or do you want me to prove that I really do
consider to be reality what I consider to be reality?

If you consider it to be reality then you
presumably regard it as provable.
When I consider doing it for myself, the main
problem is there's quite a lot that I consider
to be reality, including the Perry Rhodan
science fiction novels in German (not existing
as documentary, but as thousands of books of
fiction) and material objects outside the
Solar System.  I'm not going there to check,
not to win an argument on Usenet.
But I think that somewhere back there, the
question was whether God (or gods) did or does
(PR do) produce miracles, and/or whether
scientific laws of the universe existed at all,
or were changed, before and after events
described in the bible in the Garden of Eden,
involving some humans and a snake.  That sort
of thing.
By the way - in that bible - there's a bit
about God creating things, including plants
on land, animals in the waters - but no plants
to live in water.  They seem to be around now,
!though.  Just a point to consider.  Did I
overlook that, or did God?  Did he fix it later
when no one was watching?