Re: Nebula Finalists 2016

On 2025-01-08, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 1/8/25 08:24, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:

On 2025-01-07, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On 6 Jan 2025 16:28:50 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:

 

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January 6th was an epic security failure. But Pelosi did not want it

 
Your attempts to shield Trump from responsibility for Jan 6 are
pathetic.
 

Of course they are pathetic.
Sane Republicans and Democrats agree on that.
"Moscow" Mitch McConnel stated Trump at fault
  multiple times and multiple times refused the Impeachment
of the Felonius Trump for fear of losing MAGA support.
Some MAGA probably believe what they think about this
matter but the courts did not. Assaults on police officers
can be traced to Trump's words at his rally and to his
inaction when he was returned forcibly to his residence.
In addiction his cronies had previously interfered with
the possibility of quick reaction by the National Guard.

In the face of all the evidence uncovered it is
quite pathetic to attempt to shift blame for the January
6th Riot and Rebellion from Donald J Trump.

bliss

So what set you off, Bliss?

I did not state or imply that Trump was blameless for January 6th.
Trump was very clearly shared in the blame.

I stated a good number of facts in my posts.  I made a good number of
claims. You did not dispute a single one of those facts. You did not
dispute a single one of those claims. You called my posts "pathetic" but
you did not supply a single shred of evidence in support of your claim.

Facts matter. You presented a list of mostly unrelated unsubstantiated facts
that can be discussed elsewhere. The only one related at all to the
current topic is the comment on cronies interfering with quick reaction
by the National Guard.

I assume you're talking about all the extra rules and protocols put in
place during the previous fall after the DC BLM riots?  You do realize
that all those were absolutely demanded by the Democrats, don't you?
Trump massively overreacted to the White House incursion the first day
of the riots. The White House incursion was much smaller than Jan 6th
(eg, only 60 Secret Service injured as opposed to 174 Capitol Police)
and unsuccessful (some barricades were passed and the President and
family had to spend time in the Presidential bunker, but nothing
else really other than hospital visits by the Secret Service.)

Trump ordered out the National Guard and other law enforcement
resources. They arrived days later in overwhelming numbers and were
almost completely unneeded. Local and Congressional Democrats
insisted, very reasonably IMO, that this absolutely could not happen
again, and that there needed to be constraints on Trump and the entire
process of invoking the National Guard.

There's no question that the new protocols delayed the arrival of
the National Guard a bit, but it wouldn't have changed the extent of the
Capitol takeover much, only the duration.  By the time the Capitol Police
got through their own internal bureaucracy messup and formally asked for
the National Guard, the rioters were already in substantial control of parts
of the building.  It still would have taken time for the National Guard to
get ready and arrive.

Chris