Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite

On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:40:32 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
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On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
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The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
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Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.

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What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
getting used again <grin>

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He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
glass.
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Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.
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Plastic jugs don't break as often, although I suppose you could get
one to do so if you tried hard enough.
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There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
cases.
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Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
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The plastic and paper bags, of course, were merely /intended/ for
one-time use. They could be, and were by some, used again and again
and again.

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I used the same plastic bag for three years, approximately 200 trips to
the grocery store.  I kept it wadded up in a corner of my backpack,
where it didn't take up space needed by more valuable things, like books.

 I've done that in the past. It can be handy when I buy something that
won't fit in the shoulder bag, or that I want to keep out for some
reason.
 

They are really quite durable, but I didn't care to run a
test-to-destruction with my groceries and replaced it.

 I did this for years with an old Subway plastic bag. Occasionally, it
would be confiscated and a new bag provided. Now they use paper, so it
can be recycled or composted, depending on tightly the contents are
wrapped.
 

The polyester bags take up far to much space, so I generally don't have
one with me. I still carry a plastic bag.

 I have a small one that a Dex phone book came in a decade or two ago
that I use. That folds up small enough to fit in my shoulder bag.
 

When I order online my food comes delivered in thirteen or fourteen
bags, so they are basically "single use polyester bags".

 Good point.