Re: Babel

On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
 

On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

Tim Illingworth <tim@smofs.org> wrote:

Cryptoengineer wrote:

Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has
been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.

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December 1814 not count?

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I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an
invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.

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1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building
anyway.
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The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether
you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about
who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define
them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school history
teacher would not do so, however.
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Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all
participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the
flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably
just confused.

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Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.

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Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.

 I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.
 Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has
been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see
which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?
 As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as
many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift
Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,
pure and simple.
 The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted
authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for
President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although
they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,
after all.

With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot be barred but everyone else can be.  :P
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