Re: Babel

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Sujet : Re: Babel
De : mds (at) *nospam* bogus.nodomain.nowhere (Mike Spencer)
Groupes : rec.arts.sf.written
Date : 28. Mar 2024, 23:04:52
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ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

This might be the Finnish briefing from above; I found it very interesting:
 
https://ricochet.com/1214468/finnish-intelligence-officer-explains-the-russian-mindset/

Thak you for that!

From the article:

      Russia has the word "krugovaya poruka" or gang guarantee. It
      means that when we have some set of people with a common
      goal. Be it the Kremlin leadership or the Russian armed forces
      or whatever. We have a common goal so I step out of the circle
      and lie to an outsider. My gang hears that I lie but they don't
      judge me as a liar because they understand that I am using
      tactical truth (vranjo) to achieve the greater goals of our
      gang. The use of tactical truth, or a lie, is accepted if it is
      done for the benefit of the in-group. Just like you can steal
      when you don't steal too much or from the wrong guy. You also
      get to lie if you lie for the sake of the gang.

      It's a form of doublethink, as Orwell showed in 1984. At the
      kitchen table, different things are said than outside the
      home. Everyone understands that Bob speaks very differently
      around the kitchen table than he does in public. Everyone
      understands why he does so. The in-group creates their own
      story.

The across-the-party adoption of this principle by the GOP and TFG's
enablers, most of whom know they're lying and speak differently at the
kitchen table, apparently hope and promise to bring Russian-style
chaos, corruption and autocracy to the USA.  Somehow, evangelical
Christians seem to have been especially susceptible to being entrained
is this maneuver to power contrary to generations of evangelical
religious principles.

--
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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