Re: Deep focus on Freemason forms found in Forbidden Planet

petertrei wrote:

Don wrote:

Petertrei wrote:

Don wrote:

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Please post greater detail about your "winding staircase" grievance.
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On a happier note, it was fun to discover the Forty-seventh Problem of
Euclid staring at me right in the face from the chalkboard! It tickles
me to pull Euclid into my Masonic mosaic in the form of a new Figure.
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Perhaps a wise guy can pull a pattern, a potential pièce de résistance,
out of this paper?
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     <https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/paper.png>
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The staircase need another flight, of 7 steps.
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Again, the main problem with trying to to use the movie to
connect Shakespeare to the Masons that none of these
claimed 'tells' in the film appear in the play.

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Perhaps Hollywood left out the last seven steps as an ... innovation?
Seven steps sacrificed for the sake of framing, or something?

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"My piece of evidence has been shown to be deficient, but I'm
going to insist it is valid anyway."
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Regardless, there's a misunderstanding. My current focus is to find
Freemason forms in  _Forbidden Planet_ - for the fun of it. Intention
is irrelevant to this thread - it doesn't seek to prove a connection
between Freemasonry and Shakespeare. Other people's arguments about a
connection purely provide pretext. Otherwise readers would wonder
why Freemason forms are sought in _Forbidden Planet_.

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OK, fine. So, who do you think inserted these alleged 'Masonic' tells?
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Strickly speaking, the staircase and Euclid are both legend:
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     EUCLID. The masonic legend which refers to Euclid is altogether
     historically untrue. It is really a philosophical myth intended
     to convey a masonic truth.
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     WINDING STAIRS, LEGEND OF. A legend in the Fellow Craft's degree
     having no historical truth, but being simply a philosophical
     myth or legendary symbol intended to communicate a masonic
     dogma.
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     The Symbolism of Freemasonry
     <https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11937/11937-h/11937-h.htm#index>

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Absolutely. Freemasonry as we recognize it today grew organically out
of the tail end of the medieval Mason's Guilds during the 1500s and
1600s. We know its all made up. You occasionally find Masons who think
that the order really originated at the building of King Solomon's
Temple, but they're looked at a bit like Young Earth Creationists.
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Cookie's apron is cringe-worthy. But sometimes you must pander to
readers. In this case to readers who, at best, recognize only one
symbol: the apron.

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No one 'reads' "forbidden Plant". Its a movie. But your point remains.
Sometimes a cook's apron is just a cook's apron.
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The Blazing Star provides a tentative origin for the space object
explosion climax cliche.

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In the movie, its a planet that explodes, not a star. Yes, its a
bit of a trope now. 2010 is another good example.
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There's a very long history of people claiming to find Masonic
allusions in things. Nearly all of it is pure apophenia.
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Examples:
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* I have a book that tries to prove that Stonehenge
is an ancient Masonic temple
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* A lot of conspiracy theorists claim the two World Trade Center
towers were an allusion to a pair of pillars in Freemasonry,
and that 9/11 was somehow a Masonic ritual.
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* Here's an attempt, at great length, and with
an amazing level of effort, to 'prove' that the film
'Eyes Wide Shut' is an allegory of what the author thinks
is in the Scottish Rite.
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https://33degreesofeyeswideshut.wordpress.com/

The Freemason-Shakespeare-Bacon nexus falls outside of this thread's
scope. It's an argument for another day.

In this thread "readers" refers to people who read my commentary, either
here, on usenet, or at my website.

As to why _Forbidden Planet_ uses Freemason symbology, only the
storyboard's muse knows for certain. It's superb symbology, effectively
in the public domain, free for the taking, so why not use it if it fits?

Either the director or the cinematographer arguably sought to portray
the Krell underground infrastructure as a temple. Then used Masonic
symbols every step of the way from Morbius' study to the door of the
Krell lab. The symbols are so heavy-handed as to be impossible for me
to ignore. YMMV.

My own apophenia ambition to find a Freemason symbol, any symbol at all,
within the "temple" amounted to nothing. It was the same story with the
saucer and its environs. Nothing to show for it, other than an apron.

Danke,

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