Re: Deep focus on Freemason forms found in Forbidden Planet

David Duffy wrote:

Titus G wrote:

Cryptoengineer wrote:

Titus G wrote:

David Duffy wrote:

John Savard wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.
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I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

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I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

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Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

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Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes,
we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

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You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to
Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert
aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.
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I'm sorry I started this ;) I was alluding to the Masonic Hive (3.1B members),
run by a neo-Latin speaking emperor. Our narrator says:
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"Here once again, reader, we manage to both believe and not believe. We
say we are not so gullible as to accept the propaganda that the Masons
are as ancient as the cults of Mithras and Orpheus. We say that we do
not believe they conspired from the shadows, guiding human progress for
millennia before the Church War's chaos...But something inside us
can't believe it's all invention. It feels so ancient..."

FWIW Haywood dates Freemasonry back to antiquity (after an enlighted
introductory quote):

    "Unto the divine light of the holy altar, from the outer darkness
    of ignorance, through the shadow of our earth life, winds the
    beautiful path of initiation."

                           SYMBOLICAL MASONRY
        AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF SYMBOLICAL FREEMASONRY

    The question is often asked, How old is Masonry and where did it
    begin? The answer must depend entirely on one's definition of the
    word. If by that term one means a Freemason in the modern sense,
    who is a member of a subordinate lodge operating under the
    authority of a Grand Lodge and practising the rites of Symbolical
    Masonry, then Freemasonry came into existence in London in 1717.
    But this present day Craft is in historical continuity with lodges
    or guilds of Masons who in earlier days engaged in the tasks of
    actual building: if the word Freemason is to be extended to those
    brethren then we may say that Freemasonry came into existence in
    the twelfth century along with Gothic architecture and that its
    cradle was very probably the northwestern corner of France. But if
    the word Freemason is to be applied to any secret society that makes
    use, or has made use, of some of our symbols or signs, then
    Freemasonry goes a long way back into history, because there were
    organisations among the Græco-Roman peoples, two or three thousand
    years ago, that had much in common with ours: and it is certain that
    the ancient Egyptians made use of several of the symbols or emblems
    that we are accustomed to because we find them in "The Book of the Dead,"
    and in other Egyptian memorials. If Freemasonry is given the widest
    possible sense of being merely a secret fraternity then it has existed
    in many parts of the world for thousands and thousands of years,
    because primitive tribes have made use of such organisations through an
    untold period of time."

    <https://sacred-texts.com/mas/syma/syma04.htm>

Danke,

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