Re: Books Banned in Utah.

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Sujet : Re: Books Banned in Utah.
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Date : 12. Aug 2024, 16:23:25
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2024, Chris Buckley wrote:

On 2024-08-12, Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 11:25:41 +0200, D wrote:
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2024, Charles Packer wrote:
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Subsequently the New York Times ran a story that resolved my puzzlement
over the structure of the list. If at least three school districts
decide to ban a book, all school districts in the state are required to
remove it from their libraries.
I looked up the locations of each of the five districts appearing in
the list and they're all in small towns.
Fun fact: Utah spends the least of any state on its public schools, on
a per pupil basis.
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What are their results per pupil? Money does not equal results as is
often so painfully felt in sweden.
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According to this website,
"New York has the highest per-pupil spending of all of the 50
states. New York currently spends $24,040 per pupil,
approximately 90% above the national average. Utah has the
lowest per-pupil spending of $7,628 per student. "
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https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/per-pupil-spending-by-
state
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And????  What exactly are you trying to imply?
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Other "fun facts": On the 2022 NAEP (National Assessment of
Educational Progress), which looks at 4th and 8th graders, Utah was the
7th best and 3rd best state in reading, respectively.  In math, it was
5th and tied for 1st (with Massachusetts, with spending more than twice Utah)!
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Education is highly valued in Utah, with its large Mormon
population. Reading and books get a lot of attention.  Note that Utah
is almost all public school education, it ranks 49th in private school
percentage (3% versus 9% nationally), so it's not because of the
Mormon equivalent of parochial schools.
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Your arguments, with these additional fun facts, seem to imply that we
should be trying to emulate Utah.  They get a lot of bang for their
buck!  (I personally don't believe we should emulate Utah's rather
silly state ban law. Ability to ban books in grade school libraries is
necessary, but it should only be done at the local level, not any
higher level, IMO.)
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Chris
That's what I wanted to know. It does seem like Utahs model should be copied by other states, since they could perhaps achieve more with less, and put that money to better use or return it to the tax payers.

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7 Aug 24 * Books Banned in Utah.157Titus G
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8 Aug 24 i+* Re: Books Banned in Utah.21Lynn McGuire
8 Aug 24 ii`* Re: Books Banned in Utah.20Dimensional Traveler
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8 Aug 24 ii i+* Re: Books Banned in Utah.4Titus G
8 Aug 24 ii ii`* Re: Books Banned in Utah.3ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
8 Aug 24 ii ii `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Titus G
8 Aug 24 ii ii  `- Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Paul S Person
8 Aug 24 ii i`- Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Paul S Person
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8 Aug 24 ii +* Re: Books Banned in Utah.10D
8 Aug 24 ii i`* Re: Books Banned in Utah.9Paul S Person
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9 Aug 24 ii i `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.7Dimensional Traveler
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9 Aug 24 ii i   `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.5William Hyde
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21 Aug 24 ii i    `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Robert Carnegie
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13 Aug 24 ii `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Paul S Person
21 Aug 24 ii  `- Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Robert Carnegie
8 Aug 24 i+* Re: Books Banned in Utah.4Dimensional Traveler
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15 Aug 24 iii `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.3Scott Dorsey
15 Aug 24 iii  `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Paul S Person
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9 Aug 24 ii +* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Scott Dorsey
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14 Aug 24 ii i  `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.54Paul S Person
14 Aug 24 ii i   `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.53Mike Van Pelt
15 Aug 24 ii i    `* Re: Books Banned in Utah.52Paul S Person
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16 Aug 24 ii i     i`- Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Paul S Person
20 Aug 24 ii i     +* Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Paul S Person
20 Aug 24 ii i     i`- Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Mike Van Pelt
20 Aug 24 ii i     +* Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.46Bobbie Sellers
21 Aug 24 ii i     i+* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Cryptoengineer
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21 Aug 24 ii i     i +* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.31Cryptoengineer
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22 Aug 24 ii i     i iii +- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1James Nicoll
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24 Aug 24 ii i     i iii ii`* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Bobbie Sellers
24 Aug 24 ii i     i iii ii `- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Paul S Person
23 Aug 24 ii i     i iii i`* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Paul S Person
24 Aug 24 ii i     i iii i `- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Bobbie Sellers
23 Aug 24 ii i     i iii `- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Scott Dorsey
22 Aug 24 ii i     i ii+* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Bobbie Sellers
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22 Aug 24 ii i     i iii+* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.4Cryptoengineer
23 Aug 24 ii i     i iiii`* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.3D
24 Aug 24 ii i     i iiii `* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.2Bobbie Sellers
25 Aug 24 ii i     i iiii  `- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Cryptoengineer
22 Aug 24 ii i     i iii`* Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.4James Nicoll
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23 Aug 24 ii i     i iii `- Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.1Paul S Person
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