Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.

On 8/21/24 19:46, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 8/21/2024 6:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

On 8/21/2024 12:21 PM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:18:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
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On 8/19/24 23:54, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:29:21 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
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Which ones?  The usual suspects have accused every Republican
president since Eisenhower of being a Nazi.  (Except Ford, for
some reason; him, they just tried to assassinate.  Twice.)

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Tried and, as with Reagan and Trump failed.

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Did Ike ever get accused of being a Nazi? Seems his activities 1942-45
should have forever inoculated him against that particular canard.
Ditto Truman, JFK and Nixon all of whom served in combat. (Well Truman
was a WW1 artilleryman)

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    Democrat Truman was never accused of dictatorial tendencies.
He could threaten violence for bad reviews of his daughter Margaret.
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    Republican Eisenhower was only fascist toward gays and Communists
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    Democrat JFK was left in pain from his wartime injuries.
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    Lyndon Baines Johnson served like Nixon in the USN which
allowed him a lot of time in Hollywood getting lessons.
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    Republican Nixon only technically served in Combat but did
work important to the War Effort. He succumbed to the idea of power
as the president which lead to Watergate and his resignation.
But for wartime
<https://thepurcellchronicles.blogspot.com/2017/05/commander- richard-m-nixon-and-world-war.html>
    No one ever called these men NAZIs except maybe extreme pacifists.
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    Same for Republican Gerald Ford. Saved by a Gay man from
assassination.  Gay Man's life was ruined by the publicity.
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    and Democrat Jimmy Carter, victim of Republican chicanery.

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If it is true that Bush I cut a deal with Iran to not free the
hostages until Reagan was elected, then for "chicanery" we should read
"treason".

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Deals have two sides. What quid pro quo did Bush offer?
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I've always been under the impression that it was just
Iran giving Clinton a final 'fuck you in particular'.
I know there is an 'October Surprise' theory, but again,
what did Iran get out of it?
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I think you two are talking different Bush Eras.   It's not
difficult to believe that someone in Reagan's orbit influenced
the Iranians in order to smooth the path to a Reagan presidency.
Especially when one considers the subsequent Iran-Contra affair.
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As for Ms. Clinton, the GOP has been attacking her personally
and continuously since 1992, trying pretty much every dirty
politcal trick in the book.

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Um, no. Paul S claimed that Bush I cut a deal with Iran.
The Clinton I referred to was Bill Clinton, who was president
during the Iran Hostage crisis. The final group of hostages
was released Jan 20, 1981, mere hours after Clinton had
handed over power to Reagan.
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Bush I was a private citizen during Clinton's presidency,
and could not legally engage in diplomacy.
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pt

     You have flunked your history exam!
     Clinton came after Bush I and before Bush II
     Reagan was before Clinton.
     Go to Wiki and learn recent USA History and even older history.
     It was Bush I who was Reagan's VP and former CIA leader.
If anyone dealt with Iran it was he because while Ronnie might
approve, the rule is do the deed then ask for forgiveness, not
to wait from Permission from someone who will hold the highest
office in the Executive.
     I was a private citizen too but I paid attention
and voted as often as legal. Reagan was an Republican Ahole
and among other idiocy ended childcare for single women
who were working for a living.
      bliss