Re: OT US Politics Again.

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:09:09 +1000, Mad Hamish
<newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 17:37:28 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 8/19/2024 9:58 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On 18 Aug 2024 23:41:31 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
 

The Horny Goat  <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:12:15 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
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Still probably a bad decision, though. But then, so was the private
server itself. When working for the gummint on gummint time one really
should use the gummint server. It might even be harder to hack than a
private server, who can say?

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Perhaps, but Washington has the right to access a server they own at
any time they choose without a warrant.

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This is true, but government-owned mail servers have a whole host of
requirements that come down from the DHS, from two-factor authentication
on down to particular header formats.  It's a major pain in the neck
(and it's why small governmental organizations will try and use
unauthorized mail servers whenever they possibly can).
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One of the big deals is that email is considered a public record and
consequently needs to be archived.  Its not just that it can be accessed
by some other governmental organization, it all needs to be archived
in specific ways.  This is also a pain, but in the case of something
like the Clinton server in question it's also very important for
historical reference.

 
Which all goes to show why the Trump/Republican attacks on Hillary for
having her own server had a certain ... weight and solidity ... that
the other attacks mostly lacked.
 
One of the issues was whether anything on it was classified. I seem to
recall that the story was that some things may have classified
elsewhere, but had all been declassified on reaching the State Dept.
Which sounds a bit ... loosy goosy ... to me, but then Trump was found
to have undeniably classified paper documents at Mar-a-Lago after he
left office. And, since they have it camera, tried to hide them when
asked to give them up.
 
Hillary's mail server seems almost ... quaint ... in comparison. Still
not a good idea, however.

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Trump, as PRESIDENT of the USA, had the power to declassify ANYTHING he
wanted to.

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'In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental
agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions
memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information
Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point:
“Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow
specified procedures,” the court said.'
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All those supposedly classified papers were declassified by
him while he was President.

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No they weren't
as he acknowledges in a transcipt of a meeting where he was showing
people papers he'd taken
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/secret-information-trump-audio-recording-talks-declassifying-documents/story?id=99960824
Trump is heard on the audio recording saying, as described to ABC
News, "As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."
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"Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret
information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and
given to me,"
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"Well, with Milley -- uh, let me see that, I'll show you an example.
He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn't that amazing? I have a big
pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They
presented me this -- this is off the record, but -- they presented me
this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him,"
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And now the case has been thrown out of court due to the improper
appointment of the prosecutor

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No, the Trump appointed judge has decided that the appoinment of the
Special Counsel was improperly selected
A judgement that goes against decades of precedent
“The dismissal of the case deviates from the uniform conclusion of all
previous courts to have considered the issue that the Attorney General
is statutorily authorized to appoint a Special Counsel,"
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and the mismanagement of the papers seized
from Trump's house.

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Bullshit
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Trump has now filed a civil lawsuit against the DOJ
for $100 million due to the incompetence of the DOJ.
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Sure, Trump suing somebody just proves there's a lawyer dumb enough to
take his case and hope they'll eventually get paid...

Or one smart enough to insist on getting 1/3d off the top.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"