Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On 9/17/2024 12:25 PM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:57:42 -0700, a425couple
<a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

On 9/16/24 15:20, WolfFan wrote:

On Sep 16, 2024, quadibloc wrote
(in article<e09e6f2a9b6dd18907f3d1785e1b3ade@www.novabbs.com>):
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Someone who persists in spreading lies about the Haitians of
Springfield, even after they've led to bomb threats, isn't
"epic" no matter how he is painted.
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John Savard

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Especially when he and JD say that there are 20,000 of them in Springfield
when there are 5400 or so Haitians in the entire state of Ohio. For some
reason Ohio ain’t high on the list of places Haitians want to go to.

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I think your sources are way out of date.
Numerous sources are citing the 20,000 figure.

 In 1516, Erasmus published a critical text of the New Testament in
Greek ("textus receptus"). It was based on the theory that, when
"numerous sources" had a reading for a particular verse, that was the
correct reading.
 But that was poor thinking. The reason most Greek texts read, for
example, "peace on earth, good-will towards men" is because they were
copies of copies of relatively recent texts. The texts which read
"peace on earth to men of good will" were older texts -- and so more
likely to be correct. I use this example because it is arguably the
most famous of the differences between the KJV and RSV. Entire books
(well, pamphlets, mostly) were written on how evil the RSV was, and
this verse was prominently featured.
 And you are using the same logic. Numerous sources can cite the 20,000
figure all they want to, it doesn't matter. What matters is what truly
is. Even if only one source provides it. Even if that one source is
the Federal gummint, which those pushing this lie do not trust because
it is run by Democrats.
 There is also the Vance factor: he has /admitted/ that he made the
"eating pets" story up and claims he was justified because it was the
only way to make it clear what immigration is doing to this country.
Note that that is /his/ view, not mine.
 IOW, he has admitted that there is no actual evidence of such harm,
which seems ridiculous since there are a lot of immigrants and surely
some of them are bad apples.
 Given the problems his /admitted/ lie has caused, perhaps some legal
action against him (and Trump) would be appropriate. It would, of
course, take a long time to go anywhere, Trump being the Poster Boy,
as it were, for Rich White Male Legal Privilege.

I actually went looking for older sources, which pre-dated the
Haitian population of Springfield becoming a political football.
I found one from October 2023:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/haitian-immigrants-reshaping-springfield-5-key-takeaways-from-our-reporting/YHS3UJJIMRH7RPNOBMA77DVQ6Y/
It claims '5,000 to 10,000 Haitians moved to Springfield in the
last five or six years.'
Now, its quite possible that more moved in the last 10 months,
even probable, but I don't know if 10,000 more came. But balance
that against Haiti's further descent into anarchy recently, I
wouldn't completely rule it out, either.
pt