Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:34:34 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:13:44 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2024, Titus G wrote:
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On 19/09/24 10:35, William Hyde wrote:

D wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/17/2024 6:11 PM, quadibloc wrote:

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Global warming is not an imaginary spectre. The science involved is
really basic stuff.

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Any Global Warming is not caused by humans so your basic thesis is
wrong. Climates change all the time.  Just about all of it is due to
that big fusion reactor in the sky that is so incredibly inefficient
(1.8%) but works so well with it's 10+ billion years of fuel.

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This is the truth! It can be proven easily. Go out during the day, and
measure the temperature. Then go out again, when the sun is not
shining, and measure the temperature. It will be lower.
Reading the modern press, you easily get the idea that the sun does
not affect the climate at all, but this is actually wrong, and has
been proven by science.

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Rarely has so short a posting contained so much ignorance.

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(Excluding, of course, the innovative and brilliant proposed scientific
study of going out, coming in and going out again, a tool whose
usefulness may have been overlooked by the scientific establishment as
well as the modern press.)
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Or is it a challenge?
Hmmm.
D agrees with Dimwire arguing with Fourbricks.
That will be difficult to better.
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No, just illustrating that the sun affects the climate which some climate
hysterics don't seem to know.

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You have demonstrated that the Sun affects the /weather/, not the
climate.
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The Sun is basically a constant input so far as climate is concerned.
Greenhouse gasses, OTOH, are definitely /not/ a constant.
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Wrong again Paul!
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How Much Has the Sun’s Energy Varied Throughout Time?
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The Sun’s energy output has varied over multiple time scales, primarily
influenced by solar cycles and longer-term patterns. The most notable
variations occur in an 11-year cycle, where the Sun’s brightness
fluctuates due to the reversal of its magnetic poles. During periods of
high solar activity, known as solar maximum, the Sun’s total brightness
can be approximately 0.1 percent higher than during solar minimum.
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Short-Term Variations: The 11-Year Solar Cycle
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The 11-year sunspot cycle is a well-documented phenomenon where the number
of sunspots increases and decreases in a predictable pattern. Observations
have shown that during strong cycles, there can be a variation in total
solar irradiance (the amount of solar energy received at the top of
Earth’s atmosphere) on the order of about 1 Watt per square meter. This
variation is relatively small compared to other climate influences but is
significant for understanding short-term climate impacts.
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Long-Term Variations: Gleissberg Cycles and Grand Solar Minimums
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In addition to the short-term variations associated with the 11-year
cycle, there are longer-term changes known as Gleissberg cycles, which
span approximately 100 years. Historical records indicate that there have
been three major Gleissberg cycles since the 1700s: from 1700-1810,
1810-1910, and 1910-2010. These cycles show alternating periods of
stronger and weaker solar activity.
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Moreover, there have been instances of Grand Solar Minimums—extended
periods where sunspot activity significantly declines for several decades
or even centuries. The Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) is one such example,
during which sunspots virtually disappeared. While these grand minimums
can lead to temporary cooling effects on Earth’s climate, they do not
reverse long-term warming trends driven by human activities.

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If it comes in /cycles/ then it does not affect long-term secular
trends. Such as global warming. But the equally-secular increase in
greenhouse gases /does/ affect long-term secular trends.
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As the Sun ages, AFAIK, it will eventually reach the point where it
/will/ have new and different effects on the Earth. Such as engulfing
it when it becomes a Red Giant extending out to the orbit of Mars.
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But that's a long time away.
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You cannot use a constant to explain a variable.
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