Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On 9/24/24 08:22, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 18:35:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
 

On 9/23/2024 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:48:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
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On 9/21/2024 10:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 9/21/24 17:55, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 9/21/2024 4:49 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 9/21/24 11:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 9/21/2024 8:01 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:00:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
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Australia is buying several Virgina class attack submarines from
the
USA.  One wonders what armament those subs will have.
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine
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Yup - but there's a huge difference between using a nuclear
reactor to
boil steam to drive turbines which drive the sub (which is the usual
propulsion method in nuclear submarines) and submarines carrying
nuclear weapons (usually missiles). SSBNs are almost always nuclear
powered but carry nuclear missiles as opposed to SSNs which refers
only to the propulsion system.

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SSNs carry Tomahawks.  Look up TLAM-N.

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Tomahawks have a much shorter range and smaller payload capacity than
the strategic missiles carried by SSBNs.  The nukes on Tomahawks are
"tactical" warheads, not city killers.

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Hiroshima was 15kt.   It doesn't take much.

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       That bomb was barely functional and did not begin to realize
its power but still was a horror unleashed on a largely wooden city
and totally unsuspecting citizens. Read last "Train from Hiroshima"
by the way it went to Nagasaki. The Nagasaki bomb functioned better
but was mistargeted.  Still horrible times for the populations.
But it has some descriptions of the hell world after the bombing
that are more vivid than the descriptions in the next item.
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       About Hiroshima there is a classic manga by a young man who
survived as a child protected by a stone wall from a blast that
evaporated his teacher standing by.
       "Gen of Hiroshima", "Barefoot Gen", and "I saw it" are some of
titles used but Keiji Nakazawa, recently deceased was the author. He
lost his whole family.  His father was very unpopular because of his
out-spoken pacifism and i believe that Keiji Nakazawa has a particular
POV.  Gen was widely translated and distributed by the anti-nuclear
and peace movements.

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Its a member of a fairly small list of books and films about the actual
effects of nuclear war, as opposed to using one to set up a Mad Max type
scenario.
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   > Gen of Hiroshima
    I have seen watched it once and have a file of it here.
       The manga goes on from the end of the film and
it runs to 12 volumes. Whenever I see volume 1 at the
SFPL-main I will pick it up and begin to re-read the
story, I have read it at least twice and if I had more
money and more room I would have my own set.

Threads
The War Game
The Day After

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       I think I have seen this on late night TV. Not too
impressive. It might be time to tranlate "Last Train
from Hiroshima" from text into a Live Action film with the
special effects now available.
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In development at 20th Century Fox.

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I happened, a while back to run across two anime films set in the late
war/post-war eras.
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One was about the inhabitants of an island that was occupied by the
Soviets.
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The other was about people who lived near Hiroshima.
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To me, it looked like two efforts to come to grips with the past. Is
that, by any chance, a "thing" in current Japanese culture?
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To which /Godzilla Minus One/ could be added, as it is set in the same
time frame. Although clearly not entirely realistic; but at least it's
more or less on topic.

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Sort of.  The Original Godzilla movies were part of the same thing.  And
there are limits on Japanese military activities written into their
constitutions IIRC.  (Which were recently loosened because of the
increasing threats from China, Russia and North Korea.)  The loss of WW2
and the associated mass destruction, not just from the nukes but there
were a sharp poke in the eye, has had a traumatic effect on Japanese
culture.  Not really a surprise.

 I don't doubt it, and don't forget the fire-bombing of Tokyo, which
killed more civilians than /either/ atomic bomb. Just took longer.
 But, having seen three films set in this general period fairly
recently, I was asking if there is /currently/ a focus on
understanding that part of their past?

On the part of some artists but the Right Wing in Japan
is as insane as the RWNJ of the USA. They still venerate war
criminals at Yakasuni shrine and try to obfuscate the role
of "comfort women" during wW II. And if the artists trying to
deal with the Pacific War gets too much publicity they try
to silence them.  But "History of Showa Japan" by Shigero Muzuki
covers a lot of the mistakes made in its 4 volume manga of
about 800 parges each. Good reading and pretty good narative
art. It does have some errors in calculation from the
translation apparently regarding the length of the reign
of the emperor preceding Showa (aka reign of Hirohito).
bliss
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