Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On 9/25/2024 3:33 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:

On 2024-09-25, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/25/2024 8:58 AM, D wrote:

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
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In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>,
D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely
contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never
taken into account or ever discussed.

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My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases
cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled
experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing
unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing.
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But ...
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We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization
on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy
is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force,
the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever
it is successfully compelled.

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This is true and something you never read about in the newspapers. You
only hear about how many die due to heat, and how high taxes must be to
save the planet.
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You never read about the millions dead due to cold (which outnumber
deaths due to heat) as well as what would happen if we were 100% solar
powered and many systems and services would collapse.\

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"millions dead due to cold (which outnumber deaths due to heat)

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Can you document this claim?
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I don't think you can.

 One very nice in depth scientific overview (cites 50+ journal articles) is
https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/human-deaths-from-hot-and-cold-temperatures-and-implications-for-climate-change
 From the summary there:
     It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per
     year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6
     million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and
     0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures.
     ...
     Deaths associated with non-optimal temperatures have been
     decreasing over time as it has gotten warmer partly due to a
     reduction in cold deaths. It has been estimated that warming from
     2000 to 2019 has resulted in a net decline in excess deaths
     globally (a larger decrease in cold deaths than an increase in
     heat deaths).
 Chris

This is true, and I was wrong.
After I posted, I decided to do what I should have done first,
and check.
I found this article, with similar data:
https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future
I tried to post a followup correction, but for some reason Agent
wouldn't let me.
I really try not to maintain a position after it is shown to
be incorrect.
pt