Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 9/25/2024 1:55 PM, William Hyde wrote:

Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>,
D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely
contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never
taken into account or ever discussed.

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My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases
cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled
experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing
unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing.
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But ...
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We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization
on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy
is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force,
the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever
it is successfully compelled.
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I'm perfectly happy to phase out fossil fuel use as quickly
as possible.  Where "quickly" is defined as "Two gigawatts
of nuclear comes on line for every gigawatt of fossil fuel
taken off line.  Nuclear comes on line first, *then and only
then* does the fossil go offline."
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(Two-for-one for now, because we're behind on electric
generation capacity, and if we're going to have electric cars,
we'll need a lot more electricity to charge them.)
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The adamant opposition to nuclear power by the people who
are most gung-ho on the "Global Warming" thing unalterably
convinces me that they do not belive it themselves.

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Actually I am strongly pro-nuclear power, as are most climate scientists I know.
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Circa 2000 a group from Princeton came up with a plan to limit the warming to 2.5C which did not involve nuclear, but also did not involve catastrophic economic decline.  But even if we accept that this was possible then, it isn't now.  Nuclear is a must, at least for a few decades.
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I am also pro-hydro, which most greens oppose, though it has to be carefully done (poorly placed reservoirs for dams can emit C02 and CH4 to such a degree that the power is only as clean as non-fracked natural gas.  Better than coal, but not good enough).
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Fossil fuels will continue to be burnt for a very long time.  There is no conceivable way of shutting them down rapidly. We don't currently have a carbon capture system worth anything, but I can't believe it's beyond our abilities. Put Lynn on the job.
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Accepting the job would require him to admit climate change is real so....

Lynn's a pragmatist in some things.  Offer him enough money and he'll take the job.
But I'm using "Lynn" as an abbreviation for a new Manhattan project.  We could call it the Miami project, honouring a future underwater attraction in Florida.  If we fail, that is.
William Hyde