Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"

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Date : 01. Oct 2024, 18:13:51
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 10/1/2024 4:54 AM, D wrote:
  On Mon, 30 Sep 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
 
On 9/30/2024 9:18 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 9/30/2024 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/27/2024 6:59 PM, William Hyde wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the
Last 485 Million Years"
 https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/washington-post-accidentally-
admits-earth-at-coolest-point-in-the-last-485-million-years/
 The earth was four degrees C colder at the peak of the ice age 21,000
years ago.   So the above is simply not true.
...
 So the little jog down before present time does not cover the 4 C drop ?
 If not, do you have a better graph ?
 I'm sure you have the ability to find one.  Just remember to restrict
your search to the scientific literature rather than political
entertainment websites.
 Remember the _Readers Guide to Periodic Literature_?
 That graph comes from the Washington Post which is not a political entertainment website.  At least not for conservatives.
 Lynn
 
 The problem is, it doesn't show useful info, is being used
in a misleading way.
 People haven't survived through climate
changes for 485 million years.
 They've survived through them for about 2 million, at the
outside. Agricultural society has managed the survive the
climate changes of just the last 10,000.
 Here's a chart on a more useful scale: https://xkcd.com/1732/
(check the mouseover :-)
 10,000  years ago, the Sahara was a grassland, like our Great
Plains. Now, its a wasteland. That took a change of about 2C.
Many of the great grain growing areas of the world could face
the same fate if temperature goes up another 2C.
 We need to fix the climate to what's good for humans. What it was
5 million years ago is irrelevant.
 pt
 
 Actually no, if it was ok 5 million years ago, that tells us something about today. We have all learned now that the climate has always varied, and that there's no need for any fear. With the help of technology, we also have an advantage over other small animals, in that we can survive a much broader ranger of temperatures.
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Climate has always varied. And: Most species have gone extinct.
Yes! This is often forgotten, when people whine on about species going extinct. I think about 94% of the life that ever lived on this planet is currently extinct, so it is natural and not something which has to be stopped at every cost.

We need to change that.
It depends. Could be that the return on investment by letting some small insignificant species Z, in rainforest Y, go extinct is totally worth it. Yes, I'm giving an exagerated example, to illustrate the point that keeping a species artificially alive does not have some inherent, inviolable value. It needs to be measured, as with everything. What is pro and what is contra.

I don't want humans to go extinct, which means we have to keep
climate within the range we know we can handle.
Climate change will not cause humans to go extinct. Not even close. I think you should worry more about pandemics, nuclear war and identity politics. Each of those 3 are more likely to make the human species go extinct than climate change.
Working the climate angle, due to fear of extinction, is like trying to genetically re-engineer the entire human race, because you fear head aches, instead of taking an aspirin.

Its not just a matter of whether we, personally, are comfortable.
Our food species also need to be sustained, and they're a lot
more sensitive than we are.
We've never had as much food and as little famine on the planet than we have today. So looking at the trends, we're actually doing better and better.

pt
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27 Sep 24 * "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"36Lynn McGuire
27 Sep 24 +* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"9Bobbie Sellers
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27 Sep 24 ii`* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"6Bobbie Sellers
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28 Sep 24 +* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"13William Hyde
1 Oct 24 i`* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"12Lynn McGuire
1 Oct 24 i +* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"10Lynn McGuire
1 Oct 24 i i`* Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the Last 485 Million Years"9Cryptoengineer
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