Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On 10/21/24 08:48, Paul S Person wrote:

On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 23:05:57 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
 

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 17:09:35 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>

I am still wondering who is going to get the Chinese to cut their CO2
emissions now that they are 1/3rd of the world's CO2 emissions ?

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This is why I'm dubious about climate change targets.
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I'm a Canadian and every last one of us could commit suicide tomorrow
and not help climate change as much as China or India or both reducing
their emissions by 10-20%
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I'm NOT a "denier" but DO deny any international convention where
China and India are NOT part of the solution can possibly be
effective.

Well they are building a lot of solar and wind capacity.
But like some other nations they have to continue to use
Coal and other fossil fuels until their capacity is high enough
to replace other none-emitting sources.

 While your point seems valid and may be, in your case, honestly meant,
you should be aware that this can be seen as an attempt to maintain
the gap between "us" and "them".
 We enjoy the results of a century or so of industrialization, most of
it with no concern for externalized costs. (I actually read an article
that suggests that the reason certain French painter's paintings look
softer and vaguer as time goes on is precisely because they were
painting what they were seeing, and what they were seeing was softer
and vaguer because of growing air pollution.) Resting on this
foundation of wealth, we can afford to put the brakes on the pollution
express.
 

Until all those fuel burners are replaced with electrical
powered vehicles we have nothing to brag about in the USA.

But the rest of the world is in catch-up mode. Asserting that they
must do what we are doing currently as opposed to what we did in the
past to get where we are today can be seen as asserting that they are
not to be allowed to catch up, but to remain forever poor.
 I would hope that they are taking advantage of the tech we have
developed to reduce pollution or even invent new and better tech for
this -- that they can, IOW, do better than we did, a rather low bar.
 Thus does the dead hand of the past continue to influence the present.
 But, again, you may be reacting to what you see happening, not to some
ideology.

bliss
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