Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?

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Sujet : Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?
De : michael.stemper (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Michael F. Stemper)
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Date : 21. Oct 2024, 18:25:28
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On 21/10/2024 10.48, Don_from_AZ wrote:
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
 
On 10/20/24 22:34, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 07:54:38 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
In LotR, Book V, Chapter 8, Aragorn says (in part) the following to
Meriadoc:
>
    [...] If your pack has not been found, then you must send for
    the herb-master of this House. And he will tell you that he
    did not know that the herb you desire had any virtues, but
    that it is called _westmansweed_ by the vulgar, and _galenas_
    by the noble, and other names in other tongues more learned,
    and after adding a few half-forgotten rhymes that he does not
    understand, he will regretfully inform you that there is none
    in the House, and he will leave you to reflect on the history
    of tongues. [...]
>
Whew! That's quite a sentence.
>
Is it possible that JRRT was indulging in a bit of self-mockery here,
given his main area of study, as well as one of his reasons for writing
LotR in the first place, was "the history of tongues"?
>
An alternate explanation is that JRRT was being paid by the word....
>
That would be a losing deal for a publisher hiring a
Philogist. There is always a longer and more confusing way
to say so.
I think the self-deprecatory jib at the learned is
is just that for the sake of humor.

bliss
 Actually, I think Aragorn was simply poking fun at the herb-master. A
few pages before, Aragorn had asked for "kingsfoil" to treat the Black
Breath in Faramir, and:
That is indeed the Watsonian explanation. I was asking about the Doylian
explanation.
--
Michael F. Stemper
I refuse to believe that a corporation is a person until Texas executes one.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
21 Oct 24 * Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?8Bobbie Sellers
21 Oct 24 +* Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?3Don_from_AZ
21 Oct 24 i+- Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?1Michael F. Stemper
23 Oct 24 i`- Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?1Robert Carnegie
21 Oct 24 +* Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?2Paul S Person
21 Oct 24 i`- Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?1Bobbie Sellers
21 Oct 24 +- Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?1Cryptoengineer
23 Oct 24 `- Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?1Robert Carnegie

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