Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 10/30/2024 5:29 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/30/24 14:12, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 10/30/2024 3:54 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/30/2024 4:39 AM, D wrote:

 

 This raises questions about the future job of programmers. Do you
believe that the field will be split into simple code-monkeys where
salaries with the help of AI, will decrease more and more over time, and
the "elite" who actually are the ones who develop new algorithms, tools
and AI that serve to reduce the salaries of the code-monkeys?

 I have no idea and I am in the business of writing and selling software.
  Programming is an odd profession, very few programmers actually have a
programming degree.  My degree is in Mechanical Engineering, one of my
programmers has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and my other programmer
has a double degree in Chemistry and Physics.

 Pretty much every programmer I've worked with over the last forty five years
has had a degree in computer science or computer engineering.  There
have been some without degrees that learned on the job (e.g. started
in product support and moved to programming, but those are the exception,
not the rule).
 

 Many of the elite programmers never graduated from college.  Bill Gates,
Mark Zuckerberg, etc.

 Calling either of them 'elite' programmers is inaccurate.  Good businessmen,
perhaps.  Perhaps even good idea men.
  Windows is, however, a steaming pile.  Popular by default, not by design.

 And you just outed yourself as an elitist with that last comment.
 Lynn
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     And what definition of elitist do you use, Lynn McGuire?
 Let me say that I used an Amiga computer from Commodore Business
machines. I have a long standing hostility toward Mircosoft
producte. I know that Windows is better than every before but
the interface is so obstuctive that I will not even run it in
a VirtualBox under Linux. When Commodore Business Machines
went out of business I hung around for a while but eventually
the hardware became too difficult to get repaired.
I moved to Linux in 2006 and I have used Window XP and helped
people understand Windows 3.1 and wiped out Windows 10 from
my computers repeatedly as I got other computers to replace
older and less well cared for machines.
     Now I do that on Social Security and I could not afford
licenses for the software that Windows or even MacIntosh uses.
I would prefer to be using an updated AmigaOS but the current
hardware is very expensive which is the rule with smaller companies
but I could run an emulator but those are directed toward gamers
rather than writers. I am old and sick unable to do all my own
shopping without a friends assitance with tranportation.
     So am I a member of an elite?  I have no formal eduation
aside from HS and a few course in the USN plus before I retired
classes to keep my nursing license. oh I am white so maybe I
am an elite.  But I am devotely anti-racist abd a survivor
of minor challenges to my health.
     But strangely enough my Opinion of Windoss is very
negative.
 bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.10-Linux 6.6.58-Plasma 5.27.11

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You are an end user, do and say whatever you want.  Scott is / was a professional programmer, to make a statement like that is incredibly unprofessional in my opinion.
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Scott probably knows but maybe does not, is that Bill Gates wrote the first Basic compiler/interpreter for Microsoft in 2,000 bytes of 8080 assembly language.  It actually ran on the Altair 8800 with 4,000 bytes of ram.  I would call Gates an elite programmer.
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Mark Zuckerberg was the only programmer for Facebook for several years. He got Facebook up and going by himself before hiring any employees.  I would call Zuckerberg an elite programmer.
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I could name dozens of other elite programmers.  Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan, Carmack, etc.  So could Scott.
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Lynn

As much as I dislike the man I'd rate Bill Gates far higher than Zuckerberg. I'd rate Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan far higher that Bill Gates.
Carmack, being primarily involved with fun n' games, is difficult to rate. Probably somewhere in the middle.