Re: OT: The Robots are coming.

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Sujet : Re: OT: The Robots are coming.
De : psperson (at) *nospam* old.netcom.invalid (Paul S Person)
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Date : 17. Dec 2024, 17:42:49
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 13:31:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 12/16/24 08:16, Paul S Person wrote:
>
Depends on their purpose.
 
AIs trained on arrest records to predict who would show up for trial
and who needed to be kept around turned out to be -- as racist as the
data was.
 
>
Face the fact. Arrest Records done by racist(maybe not consciously)
LEOs are not accurate information but a record of
racism.

That was the conclusion they reached: that the AI was relying on
arrest records, which reflect the attitudes of the officers as they
are applied to each situation. They did this by removing those records
when training a new copy of the AI. The opaqueness of the AI's
reasoning made this the only way to explore the issue.  This reduced
the bias, but it also reduced the certainty of its conclusions, making
it less useful.

They were very disheartened to find that their attempt to produced
unbiased results merely perpetuated the bias in the system. That, of
course, is what "systemic racism" is all about.

I should point out that "smelling marijuana" is, in some States,
/still/ considered reasonable cause for searching a vehicle stopped
for a broken tail light. Racism isn't the only problem of this sort.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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