Re: [OT] Murder in New York

On 17 Dec 2024 15:38:42 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:

On 2024-12-15, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 15/12/24 05:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

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Bribing a public official is a crime in most jurisdictions.

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You haven't been paying attention.    The Supreme Court recently
ruled that a 'gift' after the fact isn't a bribe.

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And the SC is correct -- it's not a bribe, it's a kickback [1].
[1] Provided that there was no prior agreement involved, as the
promise of the payment preceding awarding the contract (or whatever)
would make it a bribe. But no mention was made of such an agreement.

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Correction. There was no evidence of prior agreement. Corruption is
legal if there is nothing more than circumstantial evidence of prior
agreement.
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(  https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-108_8n5a.pdf )
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In summary a bribe is organised and paid prior to some desired behaviour
so the court determined that any post-facto payments are simply
gratuities and therefore not illegal.
A small town mayor, Snyder, asked for $13,000 from a company AFTER it
was awarded a town contract, was convicted but now absolved by the
Supreme Court of which some members have received substantial benefits
from billionaire friends whose interests they protect and assist being
similar to their own.

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NO! The Supreme Court explicitly did NOT say that it was not
illegal. (It did say it was a gratuity.)
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There are very extensive laws and regulations about gratuities at local,
state, and federal levels. Perhaps there needs to be more, but that's not
the issue here.
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The Supreme Court ruled that this one particular law, which in places
used quite general ambiguous language, applied only to bribery and not
to after-the-fact gratuities.  Among other things, they pointed out
that doing otherwise would invalidate pretty much all of those
extensive laws and regulations about gratuities.  A fortunate thing
for me, IMO, as I prepare my annual Christmas gift of $20 to my mail
carrier (the maximum allowed by law/regulation). I could be a felon
given a prosecutor so inclined (though the federal law may have had
higher limits.)
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Snyder was a very narrow ruling, affecting one federal law, that had no
impact on all of the laws and regulations regarding gratuities. It did
not in any way attempt to say that gratuities were not illegal.
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Another liberal conspiracy theory.

Thanks for confirming that fools involved could have been convicted
had the prosecutor decided actually charge them with the crime
committed. As I noted, this is just another example of prosecutorial
laziness, possibly brought on by going to one of the schools revealed
last year to be hotbeds of support for Hamas.

Assuming one was; perhaps the local limit on "after-the-fact
gratuities" is $13,001 so this is legally OK. I doubt it, but anything
is, I suppose, possibly when discussing weird hypothetical laws.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"