Re: "NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:

That's fascinating! Did you ever kill anyone? How come you choose the army as
your employer?

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It is part of Basic Training. And it was in 1969. There was this Draft
going on at the time.

That's horrible! I would never forgive the state if it wasted my life in that
way. I was lucky, when I grew up, sweden abolished forced military service, so I
did not have to. Now it is back though, so 10k children will get to waste 1 year
of their lives on complete nonesense.

I managed to /not/ get sent into a combat zone. And weapon useage was
strictly controlled in non-combat zones.

I congratulate you! This is the best way!

On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the
recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had
guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =(

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I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.

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Easy! If they would shoot the shooter, the police would not even have to get to
the place, so the problem will not arise.

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You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.

I have not claimed there would be 30 3rd graders, and that all should shoot at
random. Hence the education before getting a gun license. Sweden is sadly not
the US.
Also, the school was not for 3rd graders. It was vocational level, so the
students were between 25 and 50.
A few months ago a father was shot in the face by a 15 year old since he told
him not to be rude and shout dirty words in front of his 12 year old son. If he
had a gun, he would be alive today.
Welcome to socialist sweden in 2025.

Note that the police arrived after 5 minutes. Then they camped outside waiting
for thing to calm down for about 45 minutes, and then they went in and found the
killer who by that time had killed 10 and committed suicide.

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Are you sure you aren't talking about a recent event in Texas?
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Even for Texas, that behavior was ... substandard.

Welcome to socialis sweden in 2025. Sweden is failing state. Criminals and
moslems are taking over. In a generation or two I would expect sweden to be a
majority moslem country. But it had a nice run of a 1000 years or so before
immigration totally destroyed it. I am happy that I moved away in time, since I
do not have to see the destruction daily. It is sad to hear it being described
by acquaintances though.
Only a Trump could turn sweden around, perhaps not even him.

Much better if a teacher had a gun and could just shoot the killer on sight.

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And then be shot by the police when they arrive, unless they follow
police instruction to  "drop the weapon!".

They will follow the instruction, no worries there.

Because, as far the responding officers can tell, the teacher /is/ the
shooter because the teacher is holding a gun.

Being trained, he will not stand there with a loaded gun in his hands for 45
minutes that's an absurd assumption. Swedish police are also not cowboy police.
In fact, they do very, very little, and rarely do they ever manage to catch any
serious criminals.

This sort of thing has happened in living memory (several years ago):
a homeowner shot an intruder, called the police, wandered outside with
the gun in his hand, and ignored them. His wife was a widow shortly
thereafter.

That was his choice, and his reaction. Sad, but without the gun it would have
been 2 dead innocents, and the killer would win.

Also, add to that the deterrence factor for the killer knowing that he goes into
a school where the employees are all carrying guns. Then he would not do it.

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The only form of deterrence that works in capital punishment: a hanged
perp is a perp that is deterred from ever re-offending.

This is the truth! In europe there is no death penalty and killers tend to get
out after 10-15 years or so, except in some very political or extreme cases. I
am in favour of the death penalty.
It is a great kindness to the criminal as well, and society does not have to pay
for him all his life.

2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.

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Not correct statements. Obviously people are trained before being allowed to use
a gun. It is easy... you just point and click. I've done it myself on several
occasions (using targets, not humans!). =)

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Depends on the State. And do you /really/ think 3rd-graders are going
to remember their training when they are excited?

See above. I have never spoken about 3:rd graders. This school was a vocational
school.