Re: Climate models are wrong.

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De : wthyde1953 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (William Hyde)
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Date : 28. Feb 2025, 19:29:26
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Mad Hamish wrote:
 Christy and Spencer responded to the critiques by adjusting their
calculations, and by 1998, they had backed off their cooling finding,
reporting a global warming trend apparent in their data, albeit a
slight one."
A few months before things came crashing down, one of Christy's co-workers gave a seminar at Texas A&M.
Their method of isolating mid-tropospheric temperature signals from the rest of the IR being measured (some from the surface, the lower troposphere, the upper, and the stratosphere) seemed suspect to me, but
clarification of such issues often comes later in the seminar, so I kept quiet, waiting for the end of the seminar to ask questions if I still had them.
Not so one of our graduate students.  He ripped into the speaker quite fiercely, giving no quarter.  The calculations given, he said, would without doubt include some stratospheric signal in their "mid tropospheric" temperature estimates.  And as the stratosphere was known to be cooling, this would seriously compromise their accuracy.  Every argument the speaker raised was shot down.  It was a massacre.
And my question was answered.
I sometimes wonder if that speaker, who seemed perturbed rather than angry, didn't drop by Christy's office the next day and say "we have a problem".  Shortly thereafter they acknowledged it in public.

“The history of the UAH tropospheric temperature data sets is a
history of serious scientific error,” said Benjamin Santer, a climate
researcher at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  referring to
the University of Alabama in Huntsville. “Most of the serious errors
in UAH temperature data have been detected by other research groups,
not by UAH scientists.”
No less than three serious errors were made, each of which tending to show the world as cooler than it is.  None of these errors are particularly subtle, see above.

 ExxonMobil George W. Bush to appoint him to review IPCC submissions
because he suited their desires to keep selling fossil fuels
 Here's quotes showing either his dishonesty or his stupidity about
power sources
 “I try to tell people about why there’s just not enough energy there,
I can stand in the sunlight. It doesn’t bother me at all. If the wind
is blowing, doesn’t bother me at all. That tells you right there, it
has very little energy.
Who said this?   It's monumentally stupid.
William Hyde

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28 Feb 25  `* Re: Climate models are wrong.20William Hyde
28 Feb 25   +* Re: Climate models are wrong.17Lynn McGuire
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1 Mar 25   i +- Re: Climate models are wrong.1Lynn McGuire
1 Mar 25   i `* Re: Climate models are wrong.14Lynn McGuire
1 Mar 25   i  +- Re: Climate models are wrong.1D
1 Mar 25   i  `* Re: Climate models are wrong.12William Hyde
1 Mar 25   i   +* Re: Climate models are wrong.10Lynn McGuire
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1 Mar 25   i   ii`- Re: Climate models are wrong.1Lynn McGuire
2 Mar 25   i   i`* Re: Climate models are wrong.7William Hyde
2 Mar 25   i   i +* Re: Climate models are wrong.3Lynn McGuire
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2 Mar 25   i   i  `- Re: Climate models are wrong.1William Hyde
1 Mar 25   i   `- Re: Climate models are wrong.1Lynn McGuire
28 Feb 25   `* Re: Climate models are wrong.2Scott Dorsey
1 Mar 25    `- Re: Climate models are wrong.1William Hyde

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