Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned

Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:

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Yes. Freedom of religion is fine,
but freedom from religion is far more important,

 
In the end, they are really the same thing.  You don't get freedom to enjoy
your religion without the freedom from mine.

You seem to assume that everyone has a religion.

Far too many religious people don't understand this.  But of course many
of the people who founded the country were Puritans who moved to Holland to
enjoy religious freedom and discovered that they didn't actually want
religious freedom at all, so long as it meant freedom for others as well.

I think you mean the Pilgrim Fathers.
They didn't move to Holland for the tolerance,
they went there to escape persecution in England.

And yes, one of the reasons they moved on was that they couldn't stand
the religious tolerance being practiced in Holland.
Note that they left in what was the most intorelant period
in the history of the Dutch Republic.
(after the Contra-Remonstrant victory by an Orangist coup d'etat)

Even what little tolerance remained (for a while) was too much for them.
These guys really only tolerated themselves.

So they took themselves to America.

Yes, good riddance.
All they contributed in return for the hospitality received
was participation in the religious quarrels in Leyden,
(on the orthodox contra-remonstrant side of course)

Jan