Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned

Liste des GroupesRevenir à ras written 
Sujet : Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned
De : ram (at) *nospam* zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Groupes : rec.arts.sf.written alt.usage.english
Date : 02. Jun 2025, 11:51:34
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Stefan Ram
Message-ID : <singularities-20250602114926@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
References : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
You can't actually "roll back the clock", though.

  Yeah, that's right.

Stephen Hawking proposed considering an apparent
beginning of time in the sense that at the Earth's
South Pole, there is a beginning of land.  A place
which is so south, that everywhere else is north
of it.  But if you go there, you don't see a
singularity.  You just see land all around the
South Pole.  You can walk back and forth across it.
It's only our standard of measurement that implies
that a singularity exists there.

  There are singularities that are just "coordinate singularities".
  All that means is our coordinate system falls apart at a certain spot,
  but it does not necessarily mean the physics breaks down there. You
  can just switch to a different coordinate system and clear that up.

  With a black hole, the general consensus is that any singularity at
  the horizon is just a coordinate singularity, but the singularity
  in the center of the black hole is a real physical singularity.

  As far as I know, people say the Big Bang is also a real singularity,
  not just something that comes from the coordinate system.
 
I have trouble conceiving a situation in which
that question has any answer - if we rule out
saying "God made everything" and not allowing
the question to include "why does God exist?"
As reasonably, "nothing" also means "no God".

  Language lets us put down sentences that do not really make
  logical sense, but just bring up certain ideas or feelings. You
  are absolutely right that with a question like that, you really
  need to take a close look to see if it actually means anything.

Consciousness is the special thing that important
entities possess (humans, the government) and others
do not (animals, plants, artificial intelligence,
immigrants).  This special thing has not been shown
to exist, in my opinion.

  I notice my own consciousness, and because of that, it exists
  for me just like the things I see or hear. I also get the
  sense that all higher animals have consciousness, but when it
  comes to other entities (like plants), I really have no idea.
  But I just can't put into words what I mean by "consciousness".

"How do we resolve the measurement problem in quantum physics?" -
another head-scratcher for today's physicists.
This may be only a mental problem, as physics seems
to work, whether you think that you understand it,
or not.

  It's also a language issue, since you want to lay out the rules
  of quantum physics in a way that's spot on. For that, you need
  to be able to say if there are differences between quantum systems
  and measuring devices, and what those differences are, if any.

  Right now, that's still up in the air. Physics is supposed to
  describe what people actually observe, but quantum physics deals
  with superpositions that folks just don't see (like "Schrodinger's
  cat"). That contradiction still needs to be sorted out.

What happens inside a black hole, stays inside a
black hole!  So don't worry about it!

  Hawking radiation probably comes out of a black hole. According to
  quantum theory, it should have all the information that fell in there
  before. (Actually, there are some newer ideas saying that all matter
  gives off Hawking radiation, just not as much as black holes do.)

The physicists seem to have settled how the earth,
sun, moon, and stars came to be, anyway.  That is
all long after the big bang.  Thus is the book of
Genesis disposed of.

  Religious texts might still hold a kind of metaphorical truth.

  The creation story talks about how geological stuff like "waters"
  and "dry land" comes first, and then biological things like
  "living creatures", which is not totally out of step with how
  we see things now.



Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Feb 25 * 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned270Judith Latham
13 Feb 25 +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Peter Moylan
13 Feb 25 i+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Hibou
13 Feb 25 i+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
13 Feb 25 i`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Dimensional Traveler
13 Feb 25 +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1bertietaylor
13 Feb 25 +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned242D
13 Feb 25 i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned32Peter Moylan
14 Feb 25 ii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
14 Feb 25 ii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Paul S Person
17 May 25 iii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Peter Moylan
14 Feb 25 ii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned5Rich Ulrich
14 Feb 25 iii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
15 Feb 25 iii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3Paul S Person
15 Feb 25 iii +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Stefan Ram
17 May 25 iii `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
16 Feb 25 ii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned22Scott Dorsey
17 Feb 25 iii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned20Peter Moylan
17 Feb 25 iiii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Titus G
17 Feb 25 iiiii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
17 Feb 25 iiii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned15Bertel Lund Hansen
17 Feb 25 iiiii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned13Hibou
17 Feb 25 iiiiii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned8Snidely
17 Feb 25 iiiiiii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned7Bertel Lund Hansen
17 Feb 25 iiiiiii `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned6Paul S Person
17 Feb 25 iiiiiii  +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
18 Feb 25 iiiiiii  `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Peter Moylan
24 Feb 25 iiiiiii   +- Hemingway<>1Steve Hayes
25 May 25 iiiiiii   `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Bobbie Sellers
26 May 25 iiiiiii    `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
17 Feb 25 iiiiii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3Paul S Person
17 Feb 25 iiiiiii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Scott Dorsey
18 Feb 25 iiiiiii `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
19 Feb 25 iiiiii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Snidely
17 Feb 25 iiiii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Richard Heathfield
4 Jun15:25 iiii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Cryptoengineer
4 Jun16:57 iiii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
18 Feb 25 iii`- Deiierent than/from/to1Steve Hayes
17 May 25 ii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Tony Cooper
15 Feb 25 i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned209J. J. Lodder
15 Feb 25 i +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned18Paul S Person
15 Feb 25 i i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned16J. J. Lodder
16 Feb 25 i ii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1lar3ryca
16 Feb 25 i ii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned14Peter Moylan
16 Feb 25 i ii `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned13J. J. Lodder
16 Feb 25 i ii  +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned5Paul S Person
16 Feb 25 i ii  i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Bertel Lund Hansen
16 Feb 25 i ii  i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
17 Feb 25 i ii  i `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Paul S Person
18 Feb 25 i ii  i  `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Bertel Lund Hansen
16 Feb 25 i ii  +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Don
16 Feb 25 i ii  +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned5Don
17 Feb 25 i ii  i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Paul S Person
17 Feb 25 i ii  i `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3jerryfriedman
18 Feb 25 i ii  i  +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
22 Feb 25 i ii  i  `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
16 Feb 25 i ii  `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1jerryfriedman
15 Feb 25 i i`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
15 Feb 25 i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
18 Feb 25 i `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned189Aidan Kehoe
19 Feb 25 i  +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned9Kerr-Mudd, John
19 Feb 25 i  i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Bertel Lund Hansen
19 Feb 25 i  ii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
19 Feb 25 i  i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned6Scott Dorsey
19 Feb 25 i  i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Paul S Person
19 Feb 25 i  i `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4D
20 Feb 25 i  i  `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3Scott Dorsey
20 Feb 25 i  i   +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1D
22 Feb 25 i  i   `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
19 Feb 25 i  `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned179J. J. Lodder
19 Feb 25 i   `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned178Paul S Person
20 Feb 25 i    +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned156Scott Dorsey
20 Feb 25 i    i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned20Tony Nance
22 Feb 25 i    ii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned19J. J. Lodder
22 Feb 25 i    ii `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned18Kerr-Mudd, John
22 Feb 25 i    ii  `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned17J. J. Lodder
22 Feb 25 i    ii   +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned9Phil
22 Feb 25 i    ii   i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3Richard Heathfield
22 Feb 25 i    ii   ii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2lar3ryca
22 Feb 25 i    ii   ii `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
22 Feb 25 i    ii   i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned5Christian Weisgerber
22 Feb 25 i    ii   i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
23 Feb 25 i    ii   i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Ross Clark
23 Feb 25 i    ii   i +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Peter Moylan
24 Feb 25 i    ii   i `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Steve Hayes
22 Feb 25 i    ii   +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Gary R. Schmidt
22 Feb 25 i    ii   `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned6Cryptoengineer
22 Feb 25 i    ii    `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned5J. J. Lodder
23 Feb 25 i    ii     `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Cryptoengineer
23 Feb 25 i    ii      `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3J. J. Lodder
23 Feb 25 i    ii       `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2Cryptoengineer
23 Feb 25 i    ii        `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1J. J. Lodder
20 Feb 25 i    i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3Paul S Person
20 Feb 25 i    ii`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2D
21 Feb 25 i    ii `- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Kerr-Mudd, John
20 Feb 25 i    i+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned7J. J. Lodder
21 Feb 25 i    ii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1bertietaylor
21 Feb 25 i    ii+* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned4Paul S Person
21 Feb 25 i    iii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1William Hyde
21 Feb 25 i    iii+- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Peter Moylan
24 Feb 25 i    iii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Steve Hayes
25 May 25 i    ii`- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1Bertitaylor
21 Feb 25 i    i+- The Ugly Chickens_1Titus G
24 May 25 i    i`* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned124Robert Carnegie
21 Feb 25 i    +- Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned1lar3ryca
21 Feb 25 i    `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned20J. J. Lodder
14 Feb 25 +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned17BCFD 36
18 Feb 25 +* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned3occam
21 Feb 25 `* Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned2ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal