Re: (ReacTor) Five Stories About Time Travel on a Limited Scale

On 14/06/2025 10.48, Paul S Person wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 13:34:42 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/06/2025 07:57, Jerry Brown wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 08:38:40 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 12:50:44 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 12/06/2025 10.24, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:32:26 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

Nuclear war? Wells didn't even know about the Blitz when he wrote it, or
even WWI.

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Thanks for confirming my point.
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I didn't notice this when I saw it as a child, but the Eloi are lured
into the Morloch domain /in the movie/ by the sound of an air raid
siren and the opening of an air raid shelter's doors -- a siren we
heard and a shelter we saw earlier in the film.
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The problem for me here isn't that they changed the book, the problem
is that the changes are modern-day (well, "modern" when the film was
made) concerns.
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Maltin, who likes the film, calls it a "cartoon version" of the book.

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The fallout shelter is just as valid an explanation, since the class
struggle mentioned in the book is only the Time Traveller's theory
which he explictly states as such (Baxter's authorised sequel did
being the class war into canon though).
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The film added multiple stops so he got to witness this, as opposed to
the book where he goes straight from his initial jump of a few minutes
to 802,701, noting only that the buildings around him seemed to fall
away at some point.

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Indeed my vague recollection is that the 1950s
film presents a 20th century War like the one in
_Things to Come_, or indeed actual wars of the
20th century.  "Air raid" discipline of entering
a shelter when the siren sounds could have become
a permanent social arrangement, if the threat
persisted.  Though the year 802,701 is a very
long time later.

 I'm fairly certain (it has been a while since I re-viewed [1] it) that
it ends with a nuke.

Assuming that you're referring to the end of the WWIII scene, there
is mention of "atomic satellites", and Filby the younger says
something about "mushrooms sprouting."

I expect that most of us here understand the
difference from a fallout shelter, where you go
in and stay there until the radioactivity outside
wears off a bit.  My point is you probably only
do it once.

 I'm not sure what you are saying here. The difference between a
fallout shelter and /what/? A bomb shelter as in London in the Blitz?

Probably the difference between an air raid shelter and a fallout shelter.

All I am saying here is that it is /clearly/ the exact same shelter
with the exact same siren that we see earlier in the film, in the
1950s/1960s. Which might lead one to wonder what it was made of, to
last to 802,701. Surely not rebar and concrete. And the siren?

The sound of the sirens is the same, but I think that they've been replaced
or even upgraded. In the 803rd millenium, they're cool artistic-looking
things that retract when "it is all clear". Also, the shelter in that
later era doesn't look like 20th century design.
--
Michael F. Stemper
This sentence no verb.