Re: Nazi White Supremacist Trump Seizes On Videos Of A Fringe South African Politician As Evidence Of Threats To White Farmers

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 22, 2025 at 10:32:15 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 22, 2025 at 6:32:48 AM PDT, "Marmalade King" <x@y.com> wrote:

Evan Vucci / The Associated Press
By Nicholas Riccardi, Ali Swenson And Mogomotsi Magome The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) President Donald Trump confronted South African President
Cyril Ramaphosa on Wednesday with claims that white farmers are being
targeted and killed in the country.

Trumps main evidence, compiled in a video shown during their Oval Office
meeting: Speeches by a politician who was kicked out of Ramaphosas party,
is not part of the coalition that governs the country and whose own
political movement garnered less than 10% of the vote in last years
elections.

President Donald Trump and South Africa's president exchanged tense
words in the Oval Office Wednedsay over Trump's baseless claims of
the systematic killing of white farmers. At one point Trump showed
a video of white crosses, which he said memorialized white farmers
who were killed.

The Trump administration has used the rhetoric of a fringe politician and
South Africas endemic violence as justification for allowing white South
Africans to apply to become refugees in the United States

Fifty-nine people. The same people who had no problem with Biden
throwing open the border and allowing 15 *million* to flood into the
country unchecked and unvetted, breaking the budgets of the major
cities, are suddenly running for the fainting couch over 59 people
for no other reason than that they're white.

It doesn't matter if Trump let them in. I am in favor of immigration,
and deporting immigrants convicted of felonies.

Trump can and should be criticized for claiming they were refugees
lacking evidence of ethnic cleansing or whatever. The crosses weren't a
burial site but a makeshift memorial to a local family that had been
killed in a disaster, not ethnic cleansing,

South Africa passed a law that allows for the seizure of land from white
people, without compensation, and its transfer to black people. That's
government oppression on the basis of skin color. It's exactly what the
refugee system was designed for.

That makes them asylum seekers, which is different than a refugee. Now
that I've said that, I should have said that the Venezualans are asylum
seekers, at least the many there were here due to oppression by the
Marxist government.

Since you brought this to my attention, I found a BBC news article that
confirms that the law is as you describe it. Maybe they do meet the
definition of asylum seekers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9w4n6gp5o

Here's an explainer.

https://www.jurist.org/features/2025/02/11/explainer-understanding-the-south-africa-land-reform-law-that-provoked-trumps-ire/

If land reform and not Zimbabwe-style land redistribution, which led to
almost complete economic collapse and starvation, is what was desired,
there's no need for eminent domain. There are fair and straightforward
ways to put potentially productive land back into productive use without
expropriation which is literally the name of the new law. Pay a portion
of economic rent -- the land's potential income due to natural resources
and access to markets -- to society. Then there can be tenant farmers.

Obviously I don't want land held out of productive use, but to use it as
an excuse for eminent domain without just compensation is unjust.

The murdering and raping and violence (encouraged by a significant number of
the country's politicians with a wink and a nod) are just the cherry on that
shit sundae.

I found an article about this, too. People are suspicious that there is
an attack upon the food production sector of the South African economy
and, indirectly, descendants of Afrikaaners still holding much of the
best tracts of land. But if there is a violent attack, they've found
that the family will stop production within five years.

The implictation is that a crisis is being deliberately precipitated
and, with the new law, the justifications for the land expropriations
have been artificially created.

Ok. I'm starting to sound paranoid.

FARM SLAUGHTER
Female farmers sexually assaulted, tortured and murdered
in latest horrific attacks on South Africas white farm workers
by Jon Rogers and Jamie Pyatt
The Sun
Published: 18:24, 5 Oct 2020
Updated: 18:24, 5 Oct 2020
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12852875/farm-workers-torture-murder-south-africa/

He's doing it as a favor to Elon Musk.

Trump ended the special status for Venezuelans. Why the fuck is he
sending people back who were forced to leave, REJECTING communism? THey
couldn't be said to be coming to America to change our society. They
would have thrived here. Many of them would have met refugee status
better than these farmers.

It's fair for you to call out hypocrisy in others, but you might have
also called out Trump's hypocrisy with regard to the Venesualens,

I'd like you to make a comment here.

Freedom Fighters to argue that South Africa is engaged in genocide against
white farmers, a contention that seemed to baffle Malemas main political
rival, Ramaphosa, during his Oval Office visit. Ramaphosa repeatedly
stressed that EFF is a small minority party.

That doesn't mean the murders and rapes and arsons and theft aren't
happening.

Where are the reports? It's just hand waiving right now.

Seems that there have been reports in the news. Perhaps Trump could have
put them all together to justify what he's been doing.

It took me two seconds of Googing to find one article.