Re: John Roberts won't save Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

On May 25, 2025 at 12:15:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

On May 25, 2025 at 12:26:09 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:
 

 On Sat, 24 May 2025 23:37:51 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
 wrote:
 

 On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:17:01 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
 wrote:
 

 You do realize the guys they're going after have already had their hearings
 and just ignored their deportation orders, right? Do we need to give them
 another hearing about the hearing? And then maybe a third hearing to examine
 the first and second hearings?

 
 If the guy already has had the hearing they're entitled to, what's
 left other than execution of the deportation order?
 
 Perhaps he might be hauled into court to verify that the deportation
 order is valid but at that point he gets cuffs and a one way trip to
 either the airport or to the border right?
 
 You simply don't have the right to unlimited stays of warrants. I'm
 all for due process but you don't have the right to come up with a new
 excuse ad infinitum.

 
 Putting him into a maximum prison for life isn't exactly the same as
 deporting someone.

 

He was deported to his home country. His home country had issues with his
gang
affiliation and imposed punishment for it under their laws.

 
Let's not pretend the government prosecuted him with evidence they could
present in court. He was received in El Salvador then transported to
prison. There was no trial.

He's an El Salvadoran citizen. He came to the U.S. illegally. It's absurd to
say we can't deport him back to his own country because they don't have the
equivalent of the Bill of Rights there. Most countries in the world don't have
the same robust protection of freedoms that we have, so using that standard,
we couldn't deport anyone anywhere ever.

The gang participation in New York, not El Salvador, he was alleged to
have committed came from a government informant who made shit up. He
wasn't in New York. Trump administration officials repeated what the
informant said but he was never indicted nor prosecuted because the
Trump administration had no case to make.
 
Trump didn't even pretend to have evidence of crimes he may have
committed in El Salvador.
 
They've swept up massive numbers of their own citizens as criminals with
no police investigations and having gathered no evidence. Using the
crisis of out-of-control gang crimes, the government itself violated due
process and made arrests without probable cause.
 
Sure they've got laws but they aren't laws we'd recognize here.

Which could be said of every country in the world. Britain has laws regarding
free speech but they aren't laws we'd recognize here. They have laws regarding
self-incrimination but they don't provide the same protections we recognize
here. Etc., etc....