Re: OT: "Free speech" becomes a verb & noun...

On Jan 31, 2025 at 12:36:27 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

 On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

 On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

   On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
  

   On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

     On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
    

     On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

       On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
 wrote:
      

       On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

         On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
   wrote:
        

     "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian
     protesters"
 
 
 
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/

        
   It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a resident alien to
   advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization.

 
       So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed
       deportations from Skokie in '77.  What do you think?

      
     Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie,
and were
     the participants resident aliens or American citizens?

 
     Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization?

    
     Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply 'pro-Palestine'.
     Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter:
 "From the
     river to the sea."
    

        Is pro-Nazi not?

    
     The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist organization and
 even
     if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident
aliens.

 
   "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's different
   when WE do it".

  
   Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist
group by
   the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in the 70s,
   when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a
designated
   terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals.
  

   Trump is punishing these students for their speech

  
   No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you apparently
   can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight years. No,
 that's
   wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He
refused
   to do it.
  

   once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American
principles.

  
   It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign
jihadists
   that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own
population
 to
   their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st Amendment
 was
   intended to protect.
  

     I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this.

  
   Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of what the 1st
   Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash.

 
 Call it a whitewash, because it is.  These students are being punished
 for voicing support of Palestine

 
 If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river to the
 sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for Palestine.
 American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our
country
 you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist
 organization that advocates for the destruction of America.
 
 We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing a group
 whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with Israel)
while
 here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out.
 

 Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were Democratic,
 you'd be apoplectic.

 
 I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current crop of
 Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything.
 
 My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance during
the
 wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community" that the
 city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes you've
 committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers, thieves, and
 narco-traffickers that she has their back.
 
 Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried about has no
desire
 to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any more than
 anyone else does.

 
I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta,
just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on
attempted election corruption.  I just can't see how you're comfortable
with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow).

What basic principles require us to tolerate the presence of illegal aliens at
all, let alone illegal aliens that commit depraved violent crimes against our
citizens?