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On Feb 1, 2025 at 9:14:44 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:But, not being God, we can't conceive of such omniscience, and are thus doomed by Him to treat only with things we *can* see and know. And one such thing is that there was an archangel who was not rebellious who became so. And, since God hasn't promised it won't happen again, our human reasoning tells us it's possible (...especially if God wills it).
On 1/31/2025 6:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:Sure we can. We're told several times throughout Christian mythology that godOn Jan 31, 2025 at 3:14:46 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:>
On 1/31/2025 5:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:There was, just no one (other than god, one presumes) knew it.On Jan 31, 2025 at 2:16:36 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:>Right, but it turned out he was inherently different and the only one>Yes, Lucifer was unique.>>According to the Christian theology, that's literally not true.
Every archangel has a Lucifer in him.
Why not? Can there be only one?
Iirc, Lucifer started out as an archangel-in-good-standing ...i.e., like
all the others are now.
to be
so.
Before he soured on things, there was no difference.
We can't know what God knew or didn't know.
is omniscient. That means he literally knows everything. Either god knew that
Lucifer was different and that he was going to rebel against him or god is not
omniscient.
This is why the Christian concept of 'free will' doesn't hold up to logical
scrutiny. An omniscient god will know every detail of my life before I've even
lived it. If god knows I'm going to marry a woman named Jennifer on May 10,
2032, then I have no choice in the matter. I *will* marry that woman whether I
want to or not. From my perspective it may appear like I'm making the choice
and that I have free will but I actually have no choice. My fate was sealed
before I was even born.
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