Re: Mail-In Voting

On 4/9/24 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 9, 2024 at 6:37:39 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
 

On 4/7/24 6:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Mar 27, 2024 at 6:41:40 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
 

  France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.
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  Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.
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  Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.
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  Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
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  Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
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  Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
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  Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.
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  No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.
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  No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.
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  In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their
  damnedest
  to get instituted everywhere.

    42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
    Countries that require a photo ID to vote:
    United Kingdom
  Italy
  Chile
  Spain
  Malta
  Brazil
  Israel
  Latvia
  Russia
  France
  Mexico
  Austria
  Ireland
  Poland
  Greece
  Croatia
  Finland
  Estonia
  Belgium
  Sweden
  Bulgaria
  Portugal
  Hungary
  Ecuador
  Slovenia
  Slovakia
  Romania
  Denmark
  Germany
  Lithuania
  Argentina
  Columbia
  Botswana
  Zimbabwe
  Luxemburg
  Netherlands
  South Africa
  Czech Republic
  (Just to name a few)
    Gosh, the world is just full of racist countries, huh?
   

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You've been told for decades that requiring photo ID isn't a problem.
It's the restrictions they place on their ID process that's the problem.

 It's convenient how you've switched your ranting on this over the years. You
started out repeating the claim by Rachel Maddow and Al Sharpton and all the
other mainstream media leftists that requiring an ID of anyone to vote is
"rraaaaciiist" because black people can't figure out how to get driver
licenses.
 At some point you realized how actually racist that was and switched to "Voter
ID is okay but it's just racist not to let people use their Costco membership
card as ID to vote."
 

For decades it's been explained that they use Photo ID to restrict who
can vote.  Student ID's issued by the state are no good.  Hunting and
gun licenses issued by the states, just great.

 That's because all you need to get a student ID is to enroll in school.
Hunting licenses, etc. actually require you to prove who you are to a legal
sufficiency.
 But hey, I'm all for just making the requirement a state ID or driver license
issued by the state DMV and you've had hysterical aneurysms in the past over
that, too, calling it "rraaaaciiiist" because black people can't find the DMV
or something, an infantilizing claim which is the *actual* racism here.
 The argument against voters using a driver license to ID themselves at the
polls isn't that it's discriminatory against mobility or the poor. It's that
it's racially discriminatory. That's what all the grievance groups opposed to
these ID requirements claim, anyway.
 Which is absurd, because if requiring people to get licenses and ID cards is
racially biased, then the states wouldn't be allowed to require people to
obtain them in order to drive, either.
 I mean, seriously. Something as necessary and ubiquitous as the ability to
legally drive a vehicle in modern society-- with many employers requiring a
valid driver license as a condition of employment-- and the state tries to
impose a racially-discriminatory licensing scheme on the public? How could
that ever be allowed to stand?
 The answer, of course, is that it isn't racially discriminatory. It's no more
difficult for a minority to walk into a DMV and pay the fees and take the test
and get the license than it is for anyone else. And the percentage of, say,
licensed black drivers to the overall population of blacks is comparable to
whites and Asians and every other race. It's simply not racially
discriminatory to require a license to drive and that doesn't change when you
switch the underlying action from 'drive' to 'vote'.
 As for the poor, that's a non-starter as well, since every state allows people
to obtain official ID cards free of charge if they show financial hardship
 What makes me laugh at the disingenuousness of you anti-voter ID folks is how
you'll go on and on about how it disenfranchises minority voters but when you
suggest that maybe they put that vast army of "community organizers" to work
helping all these mysterious people who have no ID to get some, that's an
absolute non-starter for them. They can rally hundreds of recruits to drive
thousands of people to polls and give them snacks for voting and whatnot-- or
fill out ballots *for* them in mail-in ballot harvesting states like
California-- but no one's available to help an ID-less voter get to the DMV to
apply for an ID card.
 

Or making the voter go back to their home state and get an original
birth certificate - meaning it takes time and money to meet the
requirements.

 No DMV requires you to do that to get a driver license or ID card.
 

Nope.  Never changed a thing.  Told you the same thing years ago.
Not talking DMV.  Some people don't drive.  Clowns are requiring you to prove citizenship and produce birth certificates.
Keep running!
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