Re: Man strikes back against Seaside California order with boat mural

On 5/14/2024 7:17 PM, shawn wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2024 19:02:47 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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On 5/14/2024 6:24 PM, shawn wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2024 17:52:31 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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On 5/14/2024 1:42 AM, BTR1701 wrote:

In article <v1unia$3us0e$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

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I'm guessing that Seaside California is on the ocean and lots of
residents own boats?

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A man had his boat on his property. He was told that municipal code
required him to install a 6 foot tall fence around it to comply with
code.

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He built the fence then painted a realistic mural of a boat on the
fence.

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I'm glad to see Wile E. Coyote has retired to a bungalow in Burbank and
is now living his best life.

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Man strikes back against Seaside order with boat mural
by Torstein Rehn
KSBW-TV News Channel 8
Updated: 1:22 PM PDT May 13, 2024

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The great thing is that unlike the actual boat, the mural is speech,
which severely limits the government's ability to do anything about it.

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Good luck with trying to pound that clue through moviePig's thick skull.

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I've already set the nail and given it a few blows but, as usual, it
doesn't seem to be taking.

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Perhaps you can explain why the mural is "speech" but the boat isn't.
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The [mural] is an expression of an idea, hence speech, while the boat is
just a physical object. Though I likely would went with one of those
digital images that you can have printed out. Since it's easier and
quicker to take the photo and then send the image to a place that can
print it out.

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[I think you meant 'mural', as I edited above...]  But why can't the
boat be my expression of an idea, e.g., about boats and private yards?
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 My guess is they would say that a physical object depresses the value
of their property while art work enhances the value. It's all made up
but it's like I mentioned in a previous post about HOAs that wanted
every vehicle to be parked inside the garage. Mostly due to them
thinking that the vehicles left outside detracted from the look of the
neighborhood.

Sure, I understand that a boat (as with a junker car on the lawn) can be an eyesore especially in this neighborhood, and that a mural might well be seen as an improvement.  I just don't see how the often abused concept of "free speech" excludes one and not the other.  (Btw, the "expression of an idea" is exactly what I've argued that free speech and anti-censorship should be based on, rather than providing an umbrella for aggressive acts that clearly have little to do with communication.)