Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy

On 5/18/24 8:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On May 18, 2024 at 4:15:05 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
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  On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
  <no_offline_contact@example.com>
  wrote:
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  On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
  The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
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      On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
            >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
      >sight-readers,
      >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
      >
      >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.)
      >
      ><rolls eyes>
            I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have
      managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these
      days
      are of Asian origin...

>
  I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>
  As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they
  weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this
  to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started
  being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the
  performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now
  seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll
  call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be
  given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have
  been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some
  kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots
  they're demanding.
>
  Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the
  people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in
  general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going
  out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>
  I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of
  this and/or defend it.

>
  Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where
  literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was
  an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition
  system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist
  because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>
  The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges
  have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are,
  etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This
  used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the
  inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over
  whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
  result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
  talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a
  decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the
  intelligentsia.
>
  So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that
  screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against
  whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender,
  rather than ability to play the music.
>
  Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial
  discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a
  few bridges to sell them.
>
  And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind
  auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical
  musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many
  black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem
  in the first place). Wonder why that is?

>
  In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as
  though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?

>
  I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that
  you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey.
>
  Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they
  can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for
  it.
>
  Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they
  somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent
  and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a
  'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'.

>
  But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias
  meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.

    But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about
  it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with
  regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
    A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence
  than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people
  for the job are the ones who are hired.
    Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
  mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
    Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are
  what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one
  a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed?

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Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given instance.
>
Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.

 And the teams who make the most money are the teams who win-- i.e., the teams
with the most talent. If you want to start putting black people in orchestras
despite them not being able to play Mahler as well as the white guy next in
line,

Cite?  Hint, your racism is not proof, it's just you acting like a piece of dogshit.  I claim these truths to be self evident:
Black musicians' low participation in American orchestras often begins with issues of access and resources. It is expensive to become a working classical musician, and even more expensive if you want to play in a professional orchestra.Apr 3, 2024
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  then you have to start forcing basketball teams to hire less-talented

white guys who can't play as well as the top-ranked black players.