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On 6/10/24 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:You act like his having the credibility of Marjorie Taylor Spleen is a bad thing. He probably looks like a Sasquatch too.On Jun 10, 2024 at 4:21:06 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:Fuck, stop lying. Just stop.
>On 6/8/24 9:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:>On Jun 7, 2024 at 5:51:24 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:How fucking ignorant ARE you?On 6/4/24 5:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:"...the extent to which burned area changes are due to natural variabilityOn Jun 4, 2024 at 8:25:10 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:>On 6/3/24 10:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:To quote our newest Hutt: Nope.In article <v3llcv$3kpo$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>You guys caused the fires, ignoring climate change.
wrote:On 6/3/24 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:Still no answer here.In article <v3kipd$3u0gd$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 6/2/24 10:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:On 6/2/24 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:>So when you said you don't talk about another state's governor because>
he doesn't affect your life... that was... wait for it... a lie.
How does eating out affect my life?
>
Now, trying to destroy capitalism and education in the country is
another matter.
Your own words: another state's governor doesn't affect my life.
>
Weird how you're now claiming some governors have the power to
do exactly
that by "destroying capitalism and education" throughout the entire
country by signing laws that only apply to their respective states. How
does DeSantis signing an education bill that only applies to Florida
affect your life, Effa?Newsom never 'owned up' to fleeing the state for vacation. Once he gotNope. False equivalence.>But for some reason when Newsom signs laws, according to Effa the Hutt,
he only has the power to affect California, despite the fact
that in many
cases, he actually does affect the whole country with his bullshit. Like
when he banned all gas-powered vehicles by 2035. That affects the whole
country because California is such a large percentage of the car market,
vehicle manufacturers conform their products to California standards
regardless of where they'll eventually be sold.Newsom went out to eat.>
Newsom did exactly what Cruz did that gets your panties in a twist: he
went on vacation while his state was in crisis. And he did it twice.
Cruz only did it once.
>DeSantis is destroying a state.>
Not your state. Doesn't affect your life. Your words.
>
Newsom owned up to it.
caught, he admitted his maskless indoor dining at the French Laundry was
wrong. But he never gave a mea culpa for being on vacation in Cabo while
he his state was on fire.
This nonsense that the California wildfires are due to 'climate change' is
ridiculous. Even Emperor Newsom has admitted that historically bad forest
management at both the federal and state level is a major factor in the
severity and frequency of the most recent wildfires.
Anyone who thinks that if we'd all just installed more solar panels and
rode
our bikes to work, that the state wouldn't be on fire every year is
completely
delusional. And these idiotic media reporters and politicians who keep
saying
that the amount of acreage burned in California in 2019-- the worst fire
year
(2.2 million acres)-- is 'record-breaking' and 'unprecedented' are
bald-faced
liars. It's fucking factually completely untrue.
Before the 1800s, California would see anywhere from 5 to 14 million acres
burn EVERY YEAR. That's 12% of the state burning every year. Before there
were
any SUVs or 'climate change'. Just as there were massive droughts in
California long before the era of 'climate change'. California had a
500-year
drought between 800 and 1300 AD. These are documented scientific facts,
but
that undermines the Agenda, so we get flat-out lies from politicians
claiming
this is unprecedented, which goes completely unchallenged by their media
lackeys.
Excess timber comes out of a forest in only one of two ways. It's either
carried out or it burns up. We used to carry it out. It was called
logging.
We
had healthy forests and a thriving timber economy. Then in the 70s, we
began
imposing a shit-ton of environmental laws-- both at the state and federal
level-- that have made it all but impossible and wildly unprofitable to
carry
out that timber and what we've seen over those decades is increasingly
severe
forest fires.
We've had an 80% decline in timber harvested out of California forests
since
1980 and we've had 85% increase in acres destroyed by fire over that same
period. The mismanagement has gotten to the point where you can tell the
boundary between private forestland that is not affected by these laws and
the
public lands that are. The burn scars follow the property lines almost
exactly
in many cases.
Wow, the climate sure is clever to only change over the public lands and
burn
them while leaving the private lands alone, isn't it?
An untended forest will grow and grow until it chokes itself off. When
there
are too many trees for the land to support, they start dying off, and that
dead timber becomes thousands of square miles of fuel, just waiting to be
set
ablaze. California currently has four times the timber density that the
land
can support. Even the reliably leftist L.A. Times, which never misses an
opportunity to blame something bad on 'climate change', noted that
there are
currently more than 150 million dead trees in the Sierra Nevada, just
waiting
to be ignited. That's how nature manages a forest and if we don't want
half
the state on fire, we have to do something other than nature's way.
That's why we started the Forest Service to begin with-- to scientifically
manage the forests so that they're both preserved for people's use and to
keep
them healthy and reduce fires to a minimum. And we had healthy forests for
decades. But then the enviro-kooks came along and said "You're interfering
with nature! Stop it!" and got all sorts of laws passed requiring a
hands-off
approach to forestry and now here we are, with the entire West Coast
frequently ablaze.
The Native American tribes understood this and would routinely both clear
away
dead trees and brush from around their settlements and villages and
conduct
controlled burns to reduce the possibility of large out-of-control fires.
Then
came the white environmentalists, who dismissed the practices of those
they
considered ignorant savages, and decided they knew better how to do
things.
Well, we're seeing how well that worked out, huh?
But no, we're still having to deal with idiots like Pelosi, Newsom,
Occasional-Cortex, and Karen Bass who insist that this problem can be
solved
with carbon caps and solar panels and windmills, when the truth is that if
the
U.S. literally shut down all emissions COMPLETELY-- cars, gone; industry,
gone; cattle farming, gone; airplanes, gone; all of it, gone-- and we
lived
that way for the next 80 years, it would only reduce the global mean
temperature by 0.3 degrees. That's from the U.N. IPCC model itself. You
can
go
run the numbers yourself if you don't believe it.
These wildfires are not a 'climate change' problem. They're a forest
management problem. Period.
You talk a big game, but I'm quoting NOAA.
>NEWS & EVENTS>
Study Finds Climate Change to Blame For Record-Breaking California
Wildfires
Published onAugust 8, 2023In a new NIDIS-funded study in Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences,>
an international group of researchers created a climate-driven model of
summer burned area evolution in California and combined it with natural and
historical climate simulations to assess the importance of human-caused
climate change on increased burned areas.
It was found that nearly all the observed increase in burned areas over
the
past half-century is due to human-caused climate change. It is estimated
that from 1971 to 2021, human-caused climate change contributed to a +172%
increase in burned areas, with a +320% increase from 1996 to 2021. In the
coming decades, a further increase in annual forest burned areas is
expected, ranging from 3% to 52%.
You are so full of shit, it ain't even funny anymore.
or
human-caused climate change has remained largely unresolved."
Even your own cite declines to lay the blame for the fires on the 'climate
change' bogeyman.
They then go on to describe a study that just assumes increases in fires =
'climate change'. No other variables were accounted for, like the billions
of
board-feet of dry deadwood lying on forest floors all around the state just
waiting to be ignited because leftist environmental policies prohibit
clearing
it out.
I'm not the one who thinks a chaotic system should never change or that if we
only paid more taxes, it would stop changing.
>"Earth marks 12 straight months of record heat, a bewildering climate>
change milestone."
And yet there have been demonstrably warmer years in earth's history. Hell,
there have been warmer centuries in earth's history, so all these 'records'
they claim are being broken is just religious propaganda from the Climate
Cult.
>
>
Anyone with a functioning brain has stopped believing your bullshit denials of what everyone can see around them every single day.
"But the observations are enough to make paleoclimatologists, who study the Earth’s climate history, confident that the current decade of warming is exceptional relative to any period since before the last ice age, about 125,000 years ago."
Of course the earth has been warmer... but this isn't natural, it's man made, and it's going to ruin millions of lives before it eventually destroy civilization.
"One of the warmest times was during the geologic period known as the Neoproterozoic, between 600 and 800 million years ago. Another “warm age” is a period geologists call the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred about 56 million years ago."
People weren't worried about those time periods for a pretty good reason, and the current population won't be worrying about it either, soon.
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