Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban

On Jun 20, 2024 at 8:42:01 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 11:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

 In article <s6077jpsl679hmse4jdbsf9eg38a9pf6qt@4ax.com>,
   shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
 

 On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
 

 In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

 Machine gun:
 
      "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
 restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
 reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
 
 Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...

 
 Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the
 trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a
 result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks
 the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a
 separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly
 says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds with
 a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
 function of the trigger.

 
 Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That
 said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the
 equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It
 isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like
 one.

 
 I've seen people who can pull a trigger all on their own pretty damn
 fast-- certainly at a speed that most hoplophobes would consider
 "machine gun adjacent".
 
 Should we make it illegal for a human to pull a trigger faster than a
 certain rate? Or force anyone who can do it accurately faster than a
 certain rate to register their finger with the BATF as a "machine gun"?
 

 I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks
 but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in
 writing the original  act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump
 stock.

 
Did you look at the 15-sec. video I posted?  I submit that what you're
seeing for *both* guns is a single function of the trigger *finger* --
i.e., "pull and hold until bodies reach a desired height".  If you mean
to say that the bump trigger *vibrates* more noticeably than the auto,
I'd bet that boutique bump-stocks can mitigate that inconvenience...

How about this guy firing a Ma Deuce, clearly demonstrating the gun only fires
once for every depression of the trigger. He can just pull the trigger so fast
with nothing but his fingers that you'd think you were watching a machine gun
in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bGSLAVoRhQ&t=134s

Should he have to register his finger as an NFA firearm and obtain a permit to
possess his own finger from BATF?