Re: How Kammie is Scamming Her Pro-Choice Supporters

On Oct 24, 2024 at 8:50:59 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 10/23/2024 8:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Oct 23, 2024 at 3:12:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 10/23/2024 3:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On Oct 23, 2024 at 12:20:29 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 10/23/2024 2:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On Oct 23, 2024 at 11:15:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
     

      On 10/22/2024 10:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

        On Oct 22, 2024 at 3:56:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
  wrote:
       

        On 10/22/2024 6:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

          On Oct 22, 2024 at 2:59:35 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
            Again, you're going to have to explain how prohibiting the killing of
    adult people is secular but prohibiting the killing of pre-born people
    is per se
    religious.

>
        The former stems from a mutual protection pact between citizens and
        arises from logic, whereas the latter stems from someone's faith-based
        dogma about when fetuses receive "souls" and "deserve" protection.

            No, it doesn't. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any spooks or
spirits or
    souls. And I can't see any logic at all that says it's perfectly okay to
    kill a baby that's moments from birth just because it hasn't transited the
    three inches of the vaginal canal yet.
            And as has been stated many times, one need not believe in an omnipotent
    invisible sky-tyrant to believe that killing a baby in the womb is wrong.
    It's no more 'illogical' for society to protect that than it is to protect
    adults
    from being killed.

>
      'Religion' needn't have an origin-story mythology, it needs only abiding
      belief in something that can't be seen or shown.

            Again, I don't have any such belief, yet I think it's wrong the
same way I
      think killing an adult human is wrong. Neither one requires me to be
      religious.

>
    Okay, why do you believe killing your fellow man is wrong?

        Because it causes pain and suffering both to the victim and those they
love.
   

    And what does 'wrong' mean to you, outside the context of a factual
  question?

        Ibid.

>
  Pain and suffering are 'wrong'?  But society traffics in them daily.

    You [say] some people's morals differ from others? Who knew?

>
Indeed.  And "morals" (and the like) are exactly what we're dealing with
here, i.e., behavioral rules based on shared belief in a "higher power".

 [Morality] does not require a belief in the supernatural.