Re: The Old vs The New

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:28:38 -0500, Rhino
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On 2024-11-14 10:52 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2024-11-14 2:32 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

 

'Bout damn time.

 

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1856344458259734528/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/64Ai02EiWiLnc_TM.mp4?tag=12

 

"Families can be deported together."

 

Uh

 

That would include citizens and permanent residents. They aren't subject
to deportation. Other people claim that's actually wht he means.

 

I cannot IMAGINE the courts upholding a decision to deport actual
citizens of the United States, even with a majority of conservative
judges and the Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the
Executive Branch unless perhaps an amendment had changed the
Constitution to allow deportation of citizens.

 
Immigration cases aren't heard in courts established by Congress under
Article III of the Constitution. Instead, deportation orders are heard
by administrative law judges. These cases are incredibly backed up and
were already a huge mess under Obama. Trump made everything worse, then
Biden added all those asylum claims that have yet to be adjudicated.
 
There's no justice and the individual doesn't have rights accorded those
accused of crimes or at trial. So, yes, if the government attempts to do
what Tom Homan appears to want to do, it's conceivable that American
citizens, those who have legally immigrated, and those legally present
in the United States like asylum seekers could get swept up in Trump's
zeal to perform mass deportations because it's so difficult for an
individual to assert limited rights in these situations.
 

Surely there will be SOME opportunity to show SOMEONE the paperwork that
says they are a citizen or Green Card holder, even if some are
mistakenly detained by ICE agents??

Who knew that BORN IN EAST L.A. could become reality?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092690/reference/

Surely the new "border czar" will, at most, put people who are citizens
in the difficult position of having their families split or leaving
VOLUNTARILY to keep the family together.

 
I have no idea. I'd like there to be some semblance of prioritization to
concentrate on deporting those convicted of felonies, ignoring those who
aren't criminals (except for violating immigration law who aren't human
traffickers).
 

I've already heard claims that this will be the priority but I'm not
sure if that is just the intention right now but that it will be
"simplified" so that anyone who can't prove citizenship or Green Card
status is set for deportation.

I've heard the same claims that they will prioritize criminals for
deportation but again we won't know what they are actually going to do
until Trump takes power and puts his people in place.

Has anyone heard if people that will be deported under this
administration will be allowed to apply to enter the country legally
after they've returned to their home countries (or perhaps a third
country) or will these deportees be forbidden to even apply for normal
immigration ever again? (I'm assuming they can't be banned from applying
for refugee status.)

 

Am I correct in thinking that American popular sentiment still supports
LEGAL immigration, even under the current circumstances, it just wants
to stop border-jumpers from sneaking in? If so, then I would hope that
the deportations to come won't preclude those people applying to come
legally.

 
I doubt the average American has any idea what the hell is in
immigration and naturalization law. I don't.

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I'm not talking about the law; I'm talking about popular sentiment. I've
heard statements from various commentators that they in particular and
the American people in general still welcome immigration as long as it
is legal. But maybe people actually are so sick of all the invaders that
they just want to kick them out and lock the door to all immigrants at
least for a while until things settle.