Re: The Old vs The New

On 2024-11-14 12:50 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2024-11-14 10:52 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2024-11-14 2:32 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

 

'Bout damn time.

 

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1856344458259734528/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/64Ai02EiWiLnc_TM.mp4?tag=12

 

"Families can be deported together."

 

Uh

 

That would include citizens and permanent residents. They aren't subject
to deportation. Other people claim that's actually wht he means.

 

I cannot IMAGINE the courts upholding a decision to deport actual
citizens of the United States, even with a majority of conservative
judges and the Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the
Executive Branch unless perhaps an amendment had changed the
Constitution to allow deportation of citizens.

 

Immigration cases aren't heard in courts established by Congress under
Article III of the Constitution. Instead, deportation orders are heard
by administrative law judges. These cases are incredibly backed up and
were already a huge mess under Obama. Trump made everything worse, then
Biden added all those asylum claims that have yet to be adjudicated.

 

There's no justice and the individual doesn't have rights accorded those
accused of crimes or at trial. So, yes, if the government attempts to do
what Tom Homan appears to want to do, it's conceivable that American
citizens, those who have legally immigrated, and those legally present
in the United States like asylum seekers could get swept up in Trump's
zeal to perform mass deportations because it's so difficult for an
individual to assert limited rights in these situations.

 

Surely there will be SOME opportunity to show SOMEONE the paperwork that
says they are a citizen or Green Card holder, even if some are
mistakenly detained by ICE agents??

 People have been deported in error. It's America. We aren't required to
carry our papers with us.
 

Yes of course. I just meant that there would (hopefully) be *some* opportunity for people to prove they were in the country legally and that ICE wouldn't just round up and deport everyone that spoke with a foreign accent or looked non-white. That opportunity might not be truly fair, which of course is wrong, but it would be *something* that might be improved upon if challenged legally. (Hopefully though, it wouldn't be stretched to absurd extents. I still remember a documentary on immigration to Canada I saw 20-odd years ago where various self-proclaimed refugees swore that they were at risk of being murdered if they returned to their countries. Each of them was denied refugee status at their initial hearing but allowed to appeal: there were NINETEEN levels of appeal!!! Each of them was eventually allowed to have refugee status at one or another levels of their appeal. All of them admitted to the documentary crew (on camera) that their claims were spurious and that they were in no danger if returned to their home countries. To add insult to injury, the ethnic Russian woman from Kazakhstan mocked the whole immigration system saying that the Canadian system was idiotic.)
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Rhino