Re: OT: "Free speech" becomes a verb & noun...

On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
     

      On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

        On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
  wrote:
       

    "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian
    protesters"
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/

          It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a resident alien to
  advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization.

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      So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed
      deportations from Skokie in '77.  What do you think?

          Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie, and were
    the participants resident aliens or American citizens?

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    Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization?

        Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply 'pro-Palestine'.
    Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter:
"From the
    river to the sea."
   

       Is pro-Nazi not?

        The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist organization and
even
    if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident aliens.

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  "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's different
  when WE do it".

    Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist group by
  the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in the 70s,
  when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a designated
  terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals.
 

  Trump is punishing these students for their speech

    No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you apparently
  can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight years. No,
that's
  wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He refused
  to do it.
 

  once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American principles.

    It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign jihadists
  that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own population
to
  their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st Amendment
was
  intended to protect.
 

    I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this.

    Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of what the 1st
  Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash.

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Call it a whitewash, because it is.  These students are being punished
for voicing support of Palestine

 If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river to the
sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for Palestine.
American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our country
you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist
organization that advocates for the destruction of America.
 We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing a group
whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with Israel) while
here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out.
 

Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were Democratic,
you'd be apoplectic.

 I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current crop of
Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything.
 My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance during the
wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community" that the
city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes you've
committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers, thieves, and
narco-traffickers that she has their back.
 Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried about has no desire
to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any more than
anyone else does.

I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta, just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on attempted election corruption.  I just can't see how you're comfortable with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow).