Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty

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Date : 05. Mar 2025, 03:46:33
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On 2025-03-04 6:24 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
 
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Do you have the death penalty in Illinois? I'm guessing not; the article
I read predicted he would never get out of prison but didn't take about
execution.
 One of our governors who went to prison (George Ryan, Republican, for a
significant amount of bribe taking when he was Secretary of State
administering driver's services and an unqualified truck driver killed a
half dozen people) put a moratorium on the death penalty. It wasn't
constitutional but no one had standing to challenge it. Eventually the
legislature repealed it.
 A notorious murder trial, the Ford Heights Four, was the political
scandal that led to ending the death penalty. A jury was chosen in
violation of the Sixth Amendment (prosecutors had used pre-emptory
challenges to eliminate blacks from the jury) and an exculpatory
eyewitness statement to police was withheld from the defense.
 But there were other cases in which there had been a death penalty after
an unfair trial for various reasons, or when it had become obvious that
the defendants were actually innocent.
 George Ryan ended up commuting or pardoning a great many men on death
row. I still think he was partly motivated to gain sympathy knowing the
federal prosecution he was facing.
 Just think about how corrupt the justice system would have to be for a
politician in my state to be forced to do the right thing.
A thing I've seen many times over the years has been the statement that the institutions in Country X are notoriously corrupt; this statement always seems to contain the unspoken follow-on "unlike MY country". But it's become increasingly clear to me that EVERY country has corruption, even mine and yours. Nobody gets to say "I live in a perfectly honest country"; the best we can say is that "my country is more honest than many" (or, in some cases, "at least my country isn't the MOST corrupt in the world").
It's a shame. I could see a role for an institution designed to root out corruption on an ongoing basis in EVERY country. We could all do better in that department.
 From what I read in Ryan's wiki article, he really didn't get hit too hard compared to what could have happened; just a few years in prison and another few months under house arrest. He's apparently still alive today.
--
Rhino

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Mar 25 * Robert Crimo pleads guilty9Adam H. Kerman
4 Mar 25 `* Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty8Rhino
4 Mar 25  `* Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty7Adam H. Kerman
4 Mar 25   `* Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty6Rhino
5 Mar 25    `* Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty5Adam H. Kerman
5 Mar 25     +- Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty1Adam H. Kerman
5 Mar 25     +* Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty2danny burstein
5 Mar 25     i`- Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty1Rhino
5 Mar 25     `- Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty1Rhino

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