Re: [OT] Canada elects ANOTHER Liberal government

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 08:44:41 -0700, Rhino wrote:

On 2025-04-29 10:27 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-04-28 11:27 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

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At least two networks have declared the Liberals to have won the federal
election. It's not clear yet if they'll get a majority yet; we'll have a
much better idea about that tomorrow (or in the wee hours tonight if you
want to stay up that long).

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In my opinion, this is awful news. The Liberals have been in power for
the past 10 years and have done a horrible job. All they're really done
is replaced Trudeau with Carney who has lied through his teeth and
claimed to favour policies which he stole from the Conservatives. He'll
be every bit as awful as Trudeau was and very possibly worse. I am
confident that he will be revealed to be a massive liar and Canadians
will hate him as much as Trudeau in much shorter time.

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He made himself popular by standing up to the Trump tariffs, not by any
issues he personally supported. Voters ignored who he truly is, and
voted instead for the theatrical performance.

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I think that's a pretty accurate analysis for a foreigner ;-) Well done,
sir!

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I've merely read news reports from both the US and BBC, plus the
comments you've been making.
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All those people who fell for Carney's BS are in for a rude awakening.
They deeply deserve the stress they're going to feel when they realize
that they were duped - again.

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Maybe he'll do what he was elected to do?

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And maybe pigs will fly....
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During the campaign, he promised to make Canada an "energy superpower".
He also spoke in favour of pipelines so that we could get our oil and
natural gas to somewhere other than the US, where we have to sell it
highly discounted to sell it at all. But Quebec is decidedly
unenthusiastic about the pipeline that would run from Alberta to the
East Coast so Carney insisted that Bill-69, which effectively prevents
new pipelines, will NOT be scrapped. Despite that, he claimed to support
pipelines - but carefully hid a few key conditions deep in the fine
print: he will give indigenous people, climate activists and each
province on the proposed route a veto over new pipelines. That
effectively precludes building new pipelines. His proposal to become an
energy superpower is premised solely on the notion that we are going to
export solar power and green hydrogen and such things. But most of the
voters didn't understand that.

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The good news is that Carney has a minority government, meaning he HAS
to get the support of other parties to pass any major bills, otherwise
the government falls and we get a new election. Assuming he can't get
the Conservatives to go along with him, he has to have support of the
NDP (what's left of it) or the Bloc Quebecois, which is dedicated to
Quebec independence. The NDP propped up the government this past term
and it cost them dearly: they fell from 23 seats to just 7 and leader
Jagment Singh lost his own seat by finishing third and has already
resigned. I would expect the NDP to be VERY leery about another deal
with the Liberals any time soon!
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There's even a distant possibility that the Conservatives and Bloc could
find common cause and defeat the government forcing an election although
it's hard to picture them agreeing on much.
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Unfortunately, Pierre Poilievre lost his own seat and it's not clear if
someone else in the Conservative Party will give up the seat they've
just won so that Poilievre can have that. There have already been
pundits saying he should give up the leadership so that a new leader can
be chosen but it's not clear who might replace him. Poilievre is the 3rd
leader of the party since Harper stepped down after the 2015 election
and has been by far the most effective, increasing the seat count
substantially over the past two leaders. But there is a percentage of
the population that doesn't trust him and tries to liken him to Trump. A
new leader would have to be a real dynamo to be able to keep all the
existing seats and build from there without scaring the left-leaning
voters into sticking with the Liberals.
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Danny Burstein will be happy that Chrystia Freeland was re-elected to
her seat. It's not clear yet if she will be in the new Cabinet but she
is in Carney's current cabinet so he obviously doesn't hate her. (He is
actually godfather to one of her kids and it was her shock resignation
that was the straw that broke Trudeau's back and forced his resignation,
opening the way for Carney. He ought to be appropriately grateful.)
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If Trudeau had stayed on rather than resigning - or if Trump had kept
his yap shut about tariffs until after our election - we would have seen
a VERY different result in this election.

What an awesome power this Trump character is, able to
determine Canada's elections at will. Do we suppose the
monopoly media has no influence on Canada's elections
just like it has no effect on politics in the USA?