Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE

On 4/30/2025 10:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 30, 2025 at 7:30:29 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 4/30/2025 5:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Apr 30, 2025 at 2:16:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 4/30/2025 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On Apr 30, 2025 at 11:37:37 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

        She had *no business* checking the warrant in the first place. She has no
    jurisdiction over federal immigration law. She's no different than any
other
    citizen with regard to the ICE arrest. John Doe on the street can't
walk up
  to
    an ongoing ICE operation and start demanding to see paperwork and neither
  can
    a state court judge. And if either one of them do so, they can be arrested
  and
    charged with obstruction.

>
  How does that work, then?  Can you be having dinner at home with your
  wife and, when a knock at the door turns out to be a stranger claiming
  to have a warrant to take her away, you can't say "Show me"?

    You can ask it, but they don't have to show you. They will have to show
*her*
  and her attorney (and the court) at some point to validate the arrest, but
you
  don't have any legal standing to demand it.
    And this is just a state court judge in the lobby of a courthouse, not some
  family member in their own home, so whatever standing the husband in your
  scenario may have, it certainly wouldn't apply to Judge Busybody.

>
So, "at some point" would seem to mean 'whenever we feel like it'.
Thus, if some random guys show up claiming to have a warrant ("back at
the station") for your arrest, you'd better simply let them spirit you
away while try to assure yourself they're not actually kidnappers...

 What else could you do even if they showed it to you?
 Anyone who's sophisticated enough to show up to your home with a counterfeit
marked police cruiser and wearing police uniforms and equipment, wouldn't have
any trouble downloading an arrest warrant from the internet and switching out
the names and other pertinent information, forging a judge's signature, and
printing it out to have in hand during the kidnapping.
 How exactly does the husband looking at the warrant in your scenario serve as
a prophylaxis against kidnapping?

'Kidnapping' is hyperbole to show the magic power of a claimed warrant.
The significant thing here appears to be that they showed her the warrant and she pronounced it invalid.  No doubt, some version of "the truth" will eventually emerge.  Until then (and maybe even beyond), afaics numerous theories and possible factors are still in play.