Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud

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Sujet : Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud
De : ahk (at) *nospam* chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Groupes : rec.arts.tv
Date : 18. May 2025, 17:35:04
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Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
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In the race to the bottom, BTR1701 keeps insisting his state is more
incompetent and corrupt than my state. Well, here's $10 million in
unemployment fraud committed by one woman (with others feeding her
information) over a period of 1 year and 8 months. She was released on a
$100,000 bond (is that just 10% down?) by a federal magistrate. I don't
see how that's enough to prevent her from fleeing with a false passport.

It sounds like she obtained a large number of SSNs and knew the name
match, then submitted false employment and payroll records. I don't have
enough details to know if these were false records of existing or
nonexistant businesses or if the others involved in the scheme were
owners of existing businesses. None of the false employees were part of
the scheme nor did they receive any proceeds. Of course this means a
great many people were totally fucked thanks to the identity fraud.

I'm sure BTR1701 will counter with a woman who committed $20 million in
fraud over a shorter period of time.

Here are my questions.

Checks have gotten a bad reputation over the years for fraud or not
having funds backing them even if presented legitimately. Is it easier
to commit fraud with a debit card?

Obviously there's a crime to charge with stolen funds, a crime to charge
with the fraudulent application. Can identity fraud be charged
separately or as an enhancement to application fraud?

There are various crimes associated with fraudulent use of a check.
There can be a forged signature in endorsement when a check has been
stolen or misdirected from the intended recipient. There's fraud in
changing the amount or payee.

But with a debit card used to withdraw cash from an ATM, aside from
stolen funds and application fraud, is there a comparable crime to be
charge to washing a check? Since the criminal has the PIN associated
with the debit card (the PIN is just four additional digits in the
account number, not a password) and the machine has no way to verify
identity, there's no crime of misrepresentation of identity to charge as
there might be with a stolen check presented to a bank teller.

Aren't debit cards, therefore, less secure than checks if there are
fewer crimes to charge with their misuse?

Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 May 25 * Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud4Adam H. Kerman
18 May 25 +- Re: Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud1Rhino
18 May 25 `* Re: Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud2BTR1701
18 May 25  `- Re: Another COVID-relief unemployment fraud1Adam H. Kerman

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